Comments on: BOOK REVIEW: Climate Cover-Up

By: biguana

biguana — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:13:08 +0000

itchyrich,

I very much respect your call for robust application of scientific method, as well as your admission of lack of insight into the issue – likewise I am not an expert and would therefore avoid making scientific arguments, although the consensus amongst “serious scientists” certainly seems pretty clear, and as you point out, better safe than sorry.

However, I really don’t think the very few quoted lines were taken IN context. It seemed to me that to understand the context would require an in-depth understanding of both the the nature and the detail of the research in question, none which could realistically be explained in the mainstream press, which therefore restricted itself to a few words.

Admittedly, I think UEA (and various other institutions) would have done (and could do) themselves huge favours by being a lot more open with research and data from early on. This would have perhaps avoided their current problem of not wanting to argue with fools in case onlookers can’t tell the difference.

By: Bertie

Bertie — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:29:41 +0000

@itchyrich: the context you mention is 3-4 messages between as little individuals on a topic which has many more scientific basis then what these leaked emails try to discredit.
Would you say that because Enron cooked their books, all companies do the same? No, so the impact of these emails should be similarly put in context.
It is a classic dishonest tactic to generalize a conclusion from a relatively small obervation – don’t fall into this trap

By: itchyrich

itchyrich — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:17:58 +0000

@susdes, I’m as concerned about climate change as the next guy but I’m also interested in scientific method as it’s our best way of uncovering how things actually work. The emails in question were taken IN context, and demonstrate at the very least that data was deliberately manipulated because of a pre-formed intention.

Some of the reactions to the leaked emails are over the top but there still seems like an attitude revealed by those emails that bears no relation to the scientific method’s respect for repeatability, the testing of hypotheses and peer review.

In simple terms when scientists no longer follow the scientific method what they produce is no longer science.

Before anyone quotes me out of context, I have no insight as to the ‘truth’ or otherwise of climate change. Considering the potential dangers I’d rather stay on the safe side and go green until we know it’s safe to do otherwise, but this kind of thing helps nobody.

By: susdes

susdes — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 23:02:00 +0000

@ecAr Some stolen emails taken out of context do not prove a conspiracy. They do prove that climate change deniers are still willing to do anything to promote the anti-science view. And will probably continue to do so considering the deep pockets of the denialist funders and their lack of ethics.

By: ecAr

ecAr — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:39:10 +0000

Interesting that Inhabitat would post this days after the NYT published an article that proves the so-called “conspiracy theory” has validity. For those of you that might have missed it, the article sheds light on leaked emails between several of the often quoted credible scientists. The content of which mentions the lack of tests confirming global warming, the modification of test results to hide the fact that temperatures are actually reducing globally and not warming, and gives directives to contact other scientists in an attempt to eliminate all emails that show a trail of all discussions regarding their non-finding of fact. So I would take anything written in this book with a grain of salt. I think we would all agree that we should not pollute, save fossil fuels, and recycle our natural resources but to define global policy under the banner of “global warming” needs to be challenged when it appears to be unfounded. It appears all sides are spinning the issue to one extent or another so take the reviewers advice and do your own investigation on the subject before formulating your an opinion.