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JORG & OLIF: Dutch City Bikes

by , 11/20/06
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Some of the best new sustainable styles happen to be the most old-fashioned. Take jorg & olif‘s Dutch City Bike. No hybrid engine, no hydrogen fuel; just the same two-wheeled contraption it’s always been, but with a modern, urban spin that makes human-powered transit hip.


The Vancouver-based jorg & olif has just announced that the Dutch City Bike can at last be delivered in the U.S., where they were previously unavailable. The gorgeous, customizable bikes run between $795 and $1,295, including extra bells and whistles. So put your pedal-pushers on and get riding. There’s no greener way to get yourself around.

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  1. socialmedic October 17, 2008 at 11:55 am

    Italians make a verson of the retro ductch bike and I boght a women\\\’s bike in black for 160 Euro a little over a yaar ago, rode it in Europe and had it shipped back via British Airways/American which cold have cost about 180 euro had they not misplaced my luggage at Gatwcik. The quality left something to be desired but it was light weight, which was great for carrying it up and down subway stairs, came with lights, a front and rear rack with a basket mounted onto the front rack which made ithe basket very stable. I can not recall the maker as the hazard with importing a bike like this (they are everywhere in Vicenza, Italy) is that in the USA people will stalk your bike and steal it. This is the second retro cruiser I have owned, the first being an Electra, American bike, which was stolen two years before I bought this Italian version. In both cases the theives stole the bikes from the locked bike room inside of my building; in both cases I had temporary problems with my bike lock which means the theif knew, out of the hundreds of days the bikes were locked up ,which were the rare and exact days the bike was in the building without a lock. And they were the only bikes stolen from the bike room in each instance. Frankly I am very distrurbed about being stalked for my bicycle and I definately would not pay 1500 or more for this kind of bike, the REAL article, because it WILL get stolen sooner or later. If you are going to ride a cool – looking bike like this you attract unwated attention – keep the real article in a safe or museum – get an easily replacable cheapie replica to ride in real life.

  2. wilfreden August 1, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    Interesting comment Amelia. But on to this whole price issue: it’s not that much money for a quality bicycle. I do agree with the comment about the external dynamo. AXA HR is perhaps the best of the externals and they crap out eventually. I priced similar models (high end Batavus, and Speiche) in Germany in July ’08 and when you do the EUR/$ crunch – works out to be about the same – plus you get parts that are “revolutionary” to the bone-headed American bicycle market.. like…. Intergrated Dyno-hubs and disc brake combo’s, the ability to sit up straight like a human and not like some troll – as you do with conventional American “commuter” bikes. These classic Holland bikes are in my opinion so fricken comfortable and easy to use. Batavus even makes them with intergrated rear wheel locking units (standard in many European bicycles) PLUS a long pull-out locking cable that nests inside the frame when not being used. Revolutionary. Imagine NOT having to carry a heavy lock with you everywhere you go? Velorbis (http://www.velorbis.com/) is also a superb bike manufacturer out of Germany and shops like the Dutch Bike Co. in Seattle and The Dutch Bicycle Company in Cambridge, MA sell them (http://www.dutchbikes.us/) Velorbis is an amazing bike. The 8 speed delivery cycle is perhaps THE ultimate in-the-city cycle. The run up to just under $2k each. I think the important thing to remember is that these bikes have primarily two demographic sets: people with expendable income who are into quality, and urbanites who choose to forego the CAR option and want a sturdy, quality cycle with old-world charm. Sure you could get that Schwinn or Raleigh – but it ain’t gonna feel the same and not as comfortable.

  3. Amelia B. Eclavea January 18, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    For a lot less than the price range of $795 to $1295, one can have a bicycle that can pedal in the conventional circular pedaling mode, plus 5 additional innovative pedaling strokes, including one that closely resembles a person’s natural walking and running/jogging motion. You have the option of pedaling in six different ways.
    These bikes are now being used for training by the China National Bicycle Team, as they gear up for the 2008 Olympics in Beijing.
    The 6-Way Pedaling Component Part can be installed on any conventional bicycle, to convert the bike into a multi-function two-wheeled vehicle.

    A bike enthusiast from Rochester, NY

  4. Dave from New England December 9, 2007 at 12:36 am

    To Dan

    I have confirmation from Jorg and Olif that there original series of bicycles ARE made by Azor.

    You may want to contact them and confirm, after all you are the “designated importer for N. America”.

    Cheers
    Dave

  5. Coup de Ville October 30, 2007 at 12:20 am

    I usually buy my bikes off craigslist, for about $50- 100 bucks then dial them in the way I like: Brook saddle, cetma racks, puncture resistant slicks, minor adjustments then regularly pump up the tires and lube the chain. Yeah they don’t look so pretty but they also don’t get stolen here in the SF bay (SF-Oakland-Berkeley) area and I commute and ride almost every day. People want that euro bike style to reflect their upper- class privledge of riding around properly but I’m not knockin’ it – Hey its your money, if that is what it takes to get you out of your car and on the steets, fine, just make sure you don’t scrape the paint……..

  6. doggo October 12, 2007 at 4:24 pm

    For those of you shocked by the price and making suggestions about used bikes, etc. Many of you don’t live in the U.S. Let me tell you, finding bikes like these here in the U.S. is next to impossible. And it’s all about the bike geometry, slack seat & head tube angles, high stems. Yes, you can find old Schwinns, etc., but many of them have much tighter geometry than these bikes. Old Raleigh’s come closest, but these, like the Schwinns are being snapped up by collectors and re-sellers. So the old saw about getting and old used one isn’t the panacea you think it is.

    The J & O’s, Azor, Batavus, & Pashleys are all styles of bikes that haven’t been available new in the U.S. for decades. Raleigh, the most familiar to Americans, doesn’t distribute their similarly styled bikes in the U.S., though they do in Denmark.

    As for the price, I don’t know about the J & Os, but looking at the Azors I can see why. Having attempted to modify an American market bike to replicate these bikes (before I even knew about them), I can tell you, the price is all about the components & craftsmanship. Lugged steel frames, internally geared & dynamo & brake hubs all cost a pretty penny, I’ve built up what was ostensibly a cruiser into something close to an Azor GT, and it cost well over $1000 in the end.

    These are the bikes you buy once, and they last you the rest of your life. Without going to the bike shop for “tuning” in the spring.

    And for you Americans scoffing, read this: http://clevercycles.com/?p=193

    Then think about your numb hands and sore necks. Imagine basing your handlebar choice on how many hand positions you can have (because your hands go numb if you don’t move ‘em around occasionally).

    Just for the record, I’m not a bicycle-racing-wannabe-weight-weenie. I would never consider wearing lycra for commuting to work, and I don’t worry about air resistance.

  7. eric @ curbside cycle /... October 2, 2007 at 1:46 am

    Answer for Micheal (above): As the first (and largest) distributor of both Pashley and Batavus in North America I know the differences between the bikes well. Both bikes are made in their respective homelands, so quality is top notch. However, the Pashley is made start to finish by one expert welder. The building one bike frame can take up to three days! Pashley’s tend to ride different than the Batavus since the handlebars have more sweep, the cockpit is significantly longer, and the headtube is not quite so high. It has a more ‘leisurely’ feel about it, where the Batavus – no surprise – feels more ‘practical’. Moreover, the Pashley is certainly more of a ‘luxury item’, it is not made to withstand the insane abuses a Netherlander hurls at their bikes. Or, it is the kind of bike you would want to baby, because each Pashley is a work of art. If you leave your bike outside year round and count on it to be rust free, low maintenance, and still pretty, go with the Batavus. And don’t knock the price, folks. Try shopping around in North America for a bike that will (a) keep your clothing clean (b) is extremely low maintenance (c) is rust proof (d) is theft resistant (e) not made in China (f) is extremely upright, safe, and comfortable, and you won’t find it. The Dutch pay big bucks for their bikes partly because they like doing things right the first time, and partly because they expect to still ride their bike to be riding perfectly 25 years from now. Quality means something different in Holland and the Dutch are willing to pay for it – and so should we. As an importer I can also assure you that shipping, duties, and the exchange rate add a frightening amount of extra cost to the bikes, and that markups are quite low. So don’t worry, no one’s laughing to the bank, at least I’m not! But my customers, at least, are finally riding bikes that make sense. And that makes me very happy.

  8. JN September 26, 2007 at 11:10 pm

    I’d have to agree with Iris and disagree with Dan. If you go to Azor’s dutch website http://www.azor.nl you can see they have links to distributors worldwide. If you click “Canada” under the red and white maple flag, you are directed to Jorg & Olif. That the price is reasonable can be easily inferred from the Euro prices for the Azor originals. As for the quality, as far as I know, Azor is one notch higher than Batavus (and pricier too).

  9. Robin September 21, 2007 at 11:34 pm

    I ride a Batavus “Old Dutch” and until you’ve ridden one, you shouldn’t knock the price. I live in hilly upstate NY and haven’t met a hill I can’t eventually get up. This is a “lifestyle” choice kind of bike. If you’re in a hurry and need to get everywhere ASAP, this is not the bike for you. This is the bike that symbolizes the European laid-back attitude that Americans (myself being one) just don’t embrace.

    I park this bike on my back porch and ride it to the market, the produce stand and for toodles around the village with my 11 year old son circling me on his mountain bike. On this bike, you are sitting upright (nice for the abs and hips, BTW) with good posture and a nice leg extension. Arms are comfortably resting on the handlebars, not at all stretched forward. Legs do all the work – there is no pulling with arms up hill. Exercise with a point, I like that. Plus, no pressure on the wrists.

    The price was steep. I ordered through my local bike shop, who is a Redline distributor. With shipping and NY state taxes, I paid $970 for my final bike purchase. Already, I have driven my car half of my normal usage and am contemplating selling it, though it is a diesel Jetta, so that seems a bit rash.

    Everyone who sees this bike smiles and it’s not hard to see why. It’s gorgeous as well as solidly built. It weighs a ton and rides like butter. Go try it. Really.

  10. Dan Sorger September 19, 2007 at 5:46 pm

    As the designated importer for N. America I can say that these bicycles are NOT Azor bikes, Azor hand-builds their bikes. Please don’t confuse a real Dutch Bike with an imitation. The materials used and the build quality are noticeably higher with the real thing.

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  12. Iris September 3, 2007 at 3:06 pm

    A lot of people are comparing prices without knowing what the different bikes’ specs are. You can definately find one of these bikes for $300-$500 in the states with a little searching. BUT, this will be 1 or 3 speed only and with backpedal breakes (awkward and inconvenient for smooth city riding I think). The higher priced models usually are better made and also have much nicer components. The Azor bike, from what I’ve learned, is actually top quality even in Holland. The Oma Lux model which has 8 speeds (smooth shimano gears) and front and rear hand brakes sells for probably $900-$1000 in Amsterdam. Here you cannot find it for under $1472.00 new. Not too bad of a mark-up considering shipping costs and business expenses for these US importers (the Dutch Bike Co.Portland/Seattle).

    I looked in to getting the Spectra “Amsterdam” ($500 Dutch inspired american bike) re-worked to have hand brakes and more gears and it is not possible. Even if it were it would bring the cost up to probably $1000 anyway so might as well get the original dutch bile that is hand built to last a lifetime.

    As far as the Dutch people and others who are laughing at us stupid Americans wasting our money on these bikes, I love you guys but you obviously don’t understand that the cheaper bikes you speak of are not available to us in this country. I know because I have spent hours upon hours researching on the internet and I have even called the UK and Germany (the Ebay seller) importers. The only way is to go there and buy one and bring it back with you or have a friend who lives there do it.

    Bottom line the azor 8 speed for $1400+ is absolutely the only of its kind available in the US (or Canada as far as I can tell). Living in hilly Seattle and not being an avid rider, the 8 speed is an absolute must and I think switching from car to this bike is definitely a step (pedal) in the right direction!

    FYI: I don’t have one because I can’t afford it:(

  13. Michael September 1, 2007 at 6:14 pm

    Fascinated by the debate. Pashley seems to be the UK gold standard on these type of bikes. Anybody got a comment on comparing the Pashely roadster with the Duch bikes? For me, comfort is all. Armchair Brooks saddles are the first thing I look for. I’m considering going to work (in a suit0 on a bike with a briefcase on the back – and I love the upright posture, not least because I have bad back. Any suggestions?

  14. Bill August 27, 2007 at 11:34 am

    After quite a bit of research, I got the Electra Amsterdam (Classic) a few months ago and absolutely love it. It singlehandedly got me back on a bike after 25 years. I couldn’t stomach most of the bikes in my local bike shop. The Electra is smooth and fun to ride, the gears work out fine for my errands and commuting around Washington DC. Of course I’m not trying for speed and have nothing to compare it to. And it’s probably not ideal for long weekend jaunts. But being able to wear normal clothes was a must (fenders, covered chain, etc), and I really like the upright riding position for comfort and seeing better. To me, this bike really gets it right. And it does turn heads, people can’t believe it was only $550. The quality/feel is quite good, though the rear wheel skirt thing does rattle a bit on certain bumps. Otherwise it’s tight and quiet, with nice details like the leather handgrips.

    The J&O look really nice and assuming they are as well made as people say, would seem to be worth the price. Just a bit more than I wanted to pay, so the Electra made more sense. I don’t really understand the hostility. Some don’t mind a 20-year-old rehabbed bike, others prefer a premium/new product. So?

    I hope bikes like these help redefine the whole US bicycle culture (which to me sometimes seems grim and defensive, with good reason sometimes of course, considering our built environment…). The main point should be getting vastly more people onto bikes. These kinds of bikes might help do that, I know it did for me.

  15. Richard August 24, 2007 at 8:25 pm

    I bought this bike. The design is beautiful and nostalgic. It is made very well. I agree it is too heavy and going up hill is more difficult. The tires are too wide causing drag. Traded in my old Reliegh which was faster and lighter. Still, I am glad I got the bike. It is a matter of style rather than racing, climbing mountains or going long distance which I never did anyway. It is flat where I live and touring through farms, small towns and parks is a pleasure. I feel like I am in some foreign film or on a Tuscany vacation. This bike is not practical, does not make sense and is not for everyone.

  16. Joseph Riazi August 19, 2007 at 5:45 pm

    I am seriously considering a Jorg and Olif bicycle purchase. This will be my first. I am car-free. I am 5’4 ish and am wondering if people could advise me on the sizing. Is the medium Opa at 57 cm too large for me? I have a 29″ inseam. Thanks and I appreciate any advice.

  17. Don August 9, 2007 at 10:34 pm

    You can get a Authentic Dutch Bicycle on Ebay for $379.00 plus $150.00 for shipping to a US airport. Go to Ebay and type-Dutch Retro 3 speed. These guys (Jorg&olif) Want 400-500 dollars just to ship it to you! Smart businessmen. Rich need only apply-

  18. Mario, San Francisco, USA July 28, 2007 at 1:43 am

    I love the dutch bikes because you can sit up straight instead of bending over, and that helps avoid neck pain, plus you can watch where you’re riding. I hear they come with seven gears now which is good enough in frisco. I’m already using a seven-speed in san fran and it’s sufficient for getting up most hills. I hope to buy ione in holland soon.

  19. John July 27, 2007 at 2:46 pm

    Got my Amsterdam Classic this week.
    Now I know some of the purists out there will say the Amsterdam is simply a over-priced Dutch-knockoff, but I must say Im very pleased with the styling as well as the ride. One concern I had was the gearing of the Nexus 3spd. A heavy bike with “flat-footed” geometry usually means youre pushing, not pedaling, up hills. However, first gear is much lower than you might imagine; I had no problem pedaling up a hill that I cant get up on my tandem. Second gear is also rather low, great for mellow cruises. Third gear is a high, pedal stomping, go get ‘em Tiger, gear. All in all, Im truly impressed.

  20. alissabee July 27, 2007 at 9:16 am

    I ordered a J&O during their March sale. I got a large 8-speed Oma. Base price was $995. With duties, shipping, LBS assembly, replacement Brooks saddle, and large wicker basket, the whole thing came to about $1350. Not bad!

    I test-drove the Electra Amsterdam. It certainly looked nice, but was, IMHO, somewhat overpriced. $550 for a
    Chinese-built 3-speed bicycle with coaster brakes is just too much money. And it doesn’t come with all the cool Dutch bike accessories: no lights, built-in lock, etc.

    For all the naysayers on this blog: how many of you have actually seen a Dutch bike in person? These bicycles are nothing like you’d see in a typical shop in North America. They are heavy, beautifully-built bicycles. Riding one of these is the bicycle equivalent of driving an old Mercedes. Really.

    I would not use the J&O as my commuter bike. I do a combined bike and bus commute. It’s too big and heavy to fit on the RTD bus racks, here in Denver. But the J&O seems great for cruising around town.

    Check J&O’s web site to see when they might be having a sale again. I think March prices were something like $595 for the single speed, $795 for the 3-speed, and $995 for the 8-speed. If you live in a town that has anything resembling hills, you will be much happier with the 8-speed.

    If a J&O is out of your price range, even with the sales prices, I recommend looking into a Schwinn cruiser. The Electra Amsterdam would be a nice option if it were ~$300 – $350.

  21. Donny July 7, 2007 at 9:56 pm

    J&O are made by AZOR, a small company in Holland. J&O and AZOR are the exact same bike, that’s why they look the same. I bought a Batavus from Curbside just last week. If you want a real Dutch bike, go Batavus. Last time I was in Holland every second bike was a Batavus. Pricing is way better too.

  22. nonymous July 6, 2007 at 4:42 am

    what about the newcomer raincity bikes? i’ve visited both J+O and raincity and i’d like to know if anyone could shed any light on which is a better buy. same price, same look, different company… any difference?

  23. Donny June 27, 2007 at 7:18 pm

    Jorg and Olif are gorgeous bikes, but they are sold almost like a luxury item in North America. Even better is the Batavus bikes which remain stylish but enters the market at far more democratic price points – which is a far more Dutch way of doing things. The Electra is a Dutch bike made in China – which is a bit of an oxymoron – but is pretty cool. The Jorg & Olif and Batavus are the real deal though. Good to finally see them here! (and BTW, I can confirm that bikes are not cheap in Holland!). Curbside Cycle near my house has Batavus. http://www.curbside.on.ca

  24. John June 13, 2007 at 2:58 pm

    I must say the J&O is a sexy piece of metal.
    Ive been looking to buy a European roadster, Electra makes a nice one for around $550. http://www.electrabike.com/06_new/flash_index.html
    Anybody know of other manufacturers that make Euro roadsters?
    Here are a few links that I have found-

    http://www.pashley.co.uk/index.php
    http://usa.batavus.com/
    http://www.sogreni.dk/Products.php

  25. Voice of Reason June 12, 2007 at 4:54 pm

    I have a used bike that I payed $5 bucks for and its a piece of shit.
    You can’t compare something that was made 20 years ago to a brand new piece of equiptment.
    You get what you pay for.

  26. Richard Wilson April 11, 2007 at 1:25 pm

    I found a very lightly used Jorg&Olif in Portland w/8 speed hub for $700 and bought it last fall. I love it. It’s a great commuter for my purposes in NE and downtown Portland – including hills. It’s perfect for hauling my 2 year old with the addition of a Dutch kid seat – the center stand is key for loading an unloading a child without the bike tipping over… With the addition of Dutch panniers, that can, thanks to a large built-in grommet, actually be locked to the bike, it’s very useful for errands and grocery shopping, too. The wheel lock is fantastically quick and easy to use compared to a typical U-lock. It has required no maintenance in the last 6 months and continues to ride silent and rattle-free. Lights are built in and since it has a generator I am never caught in the dark w/o lights or with dead/dying batteries on my blinky. It is far more comfortable to ride compared to my other “high end” road and touring style bikes. Actually I don’t ride my other “nicer” American made bikes anymore in the city – they seem silly and overbuilt and too sporty. With the J&O I ride in my normal clothes and shoes, formal or casual, since I don’t ever have to worry about getting grease on them… The bike doesn’t suffer from being left out in the rain like my American made bikes do. Speaking of rain, I always have good brakes on wet northwest days thanks to the internal drum brakes. On top of all this, the bike is understated and elegant to look at and you don’t feel like a complete tool riding it to a party in your Sunday best. I look at other available “commuter” bikes and am pained by the mish-mash of componentry, gaudy decals and poorly constucted frames and components. I plan on having and regularly using this bike for the rest of my life, so I’m not worried about the $700. Sure I could have bought 4-5 used Schwinns for that, but I grew up riding old yard-sale Schwinns and I’d opt for a reliable gear hub and versatility of the Dutch “platform” anyday given how I use bikes.

  27. andy March 30, 2007 at 4:33 pm

    The Electra Amsterdam is probably more widely available, but I think they’re made by the evil Red Chinese:
    http://www.bikegallery.com/content/Bike_Gallery/electra-amsterdam-bike.html

  28. studioloraine March 25, 2007 at 10:01 am

    re: pricing. I am in the USA, can I buy one directly from someone for $100?! ;-)

  29. Colin March 19, 2007 at 3:59 pm

    I appreciate your comparison Lee. I’ve been pricing out building a new everyday commuter using reasonable mid range parts (comparable to Shimano LX with one or two upgrades) and the prices I’ve come up with fall right in the range of the J&O bikes. I would buy an off the shelf production bike if I could find one that had all the features I wanted (steel frame, internal hub, 700c wheels, quality tires, etc.)- those that come closest (J&O, Surly, Bianchi, etc.), again, fall pretty close to this price range.

    Yes, I could build up a used bike (or rebuild my old bike) with everything I want. But I really want an all new bike for once – one that will last me for 20 years or more. Especially since my wife and I have commited to going car-free. Is buying new sustainable? I don’t know – how often will I have to rebuild a used bike versus having one from new? Could I buy a cheaper one? Sure, but cheaper parts would have to be replaced more often and would be more expensive in the long run (not to mention wasteful).

    For a truly expensive commuter check out Rivendell bikes, but before you judge read all the rave reviews they get.

  30. Lee March 16, 2007 at 5:12 pm

    The price range for J&O bikes ($895, $1095, $1395) is actually a very good price for a brand-new fully transportation-ready bicycle, especially as compared to a 20-year old Schwinn. The original purchase price of a new Schwinn in 1979, adjusted for 2006 dollars would be for example $746.24 for a mid-priced SUPER LE TOUR II (sport), or $2687.00 for a high-end PARAMOUNT P13-9 (road racer), or $468.58 for a low-end VARSITY (sport). So as you can see, a brand-new mid-priced 20-year old Schwinn should cost you amost exactly the same as the mid-range J&O bike, except that the J&O are hand-built bicycles with top-quality imported components. The only old Schwinns that match this description are the PARAMOUNTs, which of course sold for twice what J&O is asking. Sounds like a deal to me. Also, keep in mind that they have absolutely no competition, since to my knowledge nobody else is making a bike this well equiped domestically at this time.

    You could go on buying your used 20-year-old bikes and save your money, yes, but if nobody was willing to pay for a quality bike in 1979, then what would you be riding now? What do you think you’re going to ride in 2027 ? A 20-year old wall-mart bike? No. A 40-year old Schwinn? No, probably not.

    The complaints about the weight and the components also doesn’t make any sense. The better model has an internally geared 8-speed shimano hub, which has the same gear range as any mountain bike, except more reliable since it’s sealed from the elements, plus your chain will never fall of the cog, and no worries about bending the derailer. Sturmey-Archer has been making hubs like these since 1903 and they’ve proved a very reliable system over the years. Shimano hubs have an even better reputation.

    The funnies comments are about the weight… please… If you want to loose 5 pounds just go out and ride the bike more often insead of driving the car around the corner…. problem solved! How much do you weigh? How much does your car weigh?

  31. Jazmin December 11, 2006 at 9:54 am

    Totally love the bike! I would so buy it if I new where to find it. I would love to get one for Christmas! Whoa! I would be like the only one in my whole school with one of those!

  32. Dan in Portland, OR December 10, 2006 at 6:58 am

    Peter in Vancouver, thanks for your comments on conspicuous consumption. If green design is ever to have an impact on anything besides the rich consumer’s self satisfaction, then it needs to be affordable. These bikes contribute nothing to green design for the masses. I agree with all of the comments about the old, trusty schwinn being a great option for green transportation. Here in Portland, on any given morning you will see literally hundreds of 20 year old schwinns zipping across the bridges into downtown. As for the “cheap schwinn” comment, 20 year old schwinns are still on the road because they are quality, green transportation. You can find just about any model of used schwinn on the Portland craigslist for under $150 everyday. These bikes keep getting reused, resold and recycled. Sounds like a much better option than a brand new $1000 bike to me.

  33. Ben December 1, 2006 at 6:38 pm

    “The price includes all the extras! front and rear lights, wheel lock & keys, bicycle pump, chain guard & coat guard, fenders & mudflap, back rack and strap, central kickstand and traditional Dutch bell. ”
    Doesn’t sound like such a bad deal after all… for $875 Canadian? I’m not complaining…

  34. Peter in Vancouver November 29, 2006 at 3:16 pm

    Alan said that “This is a green design web-site and many of the comments are hostile because the bicycles are expensive.” Not true. Reread my original post. I’m not “offended by an expensive bicycle”. Is it an expensive bike? Yup. But not outrageously so in Vancouver. There are bikes made in Canada (at least the frames are made in Canada) for between$700-$2000. But as far as design goes, these Canadian bikes (Devinci’s) are much better for commuting. I happen to think that it is more environmentally friendly to re-use an older bike then buying a Jorg & Olif or a Devinci, and so that’s what I have. One that I use everyday, I might add.

    If anything “offends” me its this; the Jorg & Olif bikes are in no way ‘”greener” than any other bike, so why are they featured on a web-site that proclaims that “green is good design – good design is green design”. Why not do a feature on Devini bicycles? Or Trek? Or Cannondale? All these manufacturers are making bicycles designed for commuting. I suspect its because of the style of the Jorg & Olif. I said that I don’t believe that the Jorg & Olif are good for commuting in my city and I stand by that. For me, this is about promoting conspicuous consumption, an idea that is definitely not green.

  35. Kyle Jones November 26, 2006 at 1:14 pm

    I love the design, just not the price. I’d really love to find a Schwinn with backpedal breaks, though. Makes me feel like a kid again!

  36. Jill Fehrenbacher Jill November 25, 2006 at 9:25 pm

    Thanks Alan for injecting a dose of reason into this debate… While I’m not going to challenge the beauty of the cheap second-hand bike (the type of bike I’ve always owned), I wish more people would view their bikes like they view cars: a primary mode of transportation instead of occasional recreation gadget. When you look at it with this perspective, $700 for a well-made bike doesn’t seem at all unreasonable.

    Now I just wish it made a little more sense (and was a little safer) to cycle in New York City. Why can’t we get nice safe bike lanes like European cities?

  37. Alan November 25, 2006 at 9:10 pm

    At last someone willing to sell as bicycle that is designed for every day use, albeit in a flat environment, yes they are heavy.
    This is a green design website and many of the comments are hostile because the bicycles are expensive.
    Dutch people routinely spend lots of money on bikes because they use them every day and they insist on fenders, bells, carriers etc as standard equipment , all of which you usually pay extra for in the good ole US of A.
    Yes you can buy a Schwinn but they are ugly and yes they are cheap, and look it.
    A new beach crusier – are you being ironic.
    The style of bicycles that are available for the Dutch, Belgian and Danish markets are just not made for the American market because in the US bicycles are still toys, recreational not part of everyday life.
    For most people in North America the car is the means of transportation. The cost of a $1000 bicycle when measured against the cost of an automobile is laughably low , less than a years insurance.
    Why dont those who are offended by expensive bicycles save their rants for those who drive cars and not those who ride $1000 Dutch bicycles.

  38. Marcus November 25, 2006 at 5:56 am

    @Cat: hey, I’m from Holland too and no way can you find a sturdy bike like that for less than $100 (what, 90 Euro’s??) unless they’re made in China! A good brand Dutch bike will set you back at least 400 Euro. It’s all in the material and build quality.

  39. James November 22, 2006 at 4:17 pm

    I agree with many of the comments that these bikes are expensive, but I am just glad to see that someone is choosing to market them in North America. Here in the US, bikes generally have fallen into two categories; racing/ recreational bikes for adults or children’s bikes. It has been great to see an emerging breed of transportation oriented bikes over the past couple years. These will not appeal to everyone, but a small part of that niche market that they target will love them. Overpriced or not, any product that gets more people riding bikes is good in my book.

  40. Evan Gould, Redondo Bea... November 22, 2006 at 3:48 pm

    The price for this ugly bike is ridiculous. I’m in agreement with the $200 old Scwinn. Heck even a brand new beach cruiser Scwinn at my neighborhood bike shop is only $220 or so. I don’t get it. Just buy a used bike. Seriously.

  41. Alb - VEL-Vec November 22, 2006 at 7:35 am

    Yes, its better to buy a secondhand bike…yes, i will do it! well…my old bike, it was 35five years old…has been stole from bike park 2 summes ago…
    Jorg and Olif’s bike its pretty, its gorgeous…but, i prefer thousands and thousand use bikes, more cheap, and i colaborate with non-crazy-new products-production philosophy.

    when you used to use you car….after…you dont know how go to places without car…its sad! no its my case…but i know.

    regards!!

    xx Vel-Vec xx

    http://www.fotolog.com/velcrovector

  42. anne November 21, 2006 at 6:23 pm

    What ever it takes to get Americans out of their cars. Maybe some of the thousands of Americans who drive everywere will be drawn to the hip euro bikes and reduce the amount they drive. If it takes a $1000 price tag and some slick advertising – more power to them. I really doubt the kind of people who are drawn to these bikes would ever consider a $200 Schwinn.

  43. Mark November 21, 2006 at 4:35 pm

    I am glad to see a lot of healthy skepticism on the blog. I know INHABITAT needs to make money but this kind of greenwashing of something as elegantly simple and democratic as bicycle is just disappointing. I would rather take $200 fix up a used a bicycle, and donate the other $500-$800 dollars to our local bike charity “Bikes not Bombs”
    This organisation trains local teens how to fix bicycles the organisation with the kid’s help refurbishes used bicycles and ships them to developing countries. They send 2 very large cargo containers out every year packed with refurbished bicycles. That is sustainable! Buying cool things is great, but call it what it is. A Luxury Bike!

  44. Peter in Vancouver November 21, 2006 at 3:43 pm

    For me, this bike is about style over practicality.

    As an experienced bike commuter here in Vancouver (where they’re retailing Jorg & Olif) I was very interested when I first saw these bikes and had to check them out first hand. Unfortunately, I think these bikes are completely useless for commuting in my city. I found these bikes to be incredibly heavy, and while they do have an internal shifting system they don’t have enough gears to compensate for the weight of the bike + rider + any cargo you might need for your commute. Never mind riding one of these up a hill, I’d hate to try and carry it up to my apartment (something I do with my current bike almost everyday). This is not the type of bike that’s going to help you kick the fossil fuels habit.This is the type of bike that sits in your garage until a sunny afternoon when you want to ride to the park or beach.

    I’m with kat from london, try recycling a bicycle before you waste your money on this.

  45. Alex in France November 21, 2006 at 12:57 pm

    Hmm, no brake levers at all so I guess it’s a pdeal back brake. Don’t know about you lot, but here you need two brakes on a bike just for it to be legal on the roads. And I don’t see any gear levers either, so not living in flat Holland I’d quite like a few to help with the hills.

    Still we should criticise them for their prices, they obviously feel some idots with more money than sense are going to pay them.

  46. simon November 21, 2006 at 12:39 pm

    lovely photo but I too find them a little expensive. I have never blogged before and i find it rather peculiar that the first message i get is from someone that is trying to sell the bicycles that i myself sell. At least similar ones…. Mine are Batavus (the best ones) and they come in any colour you want, and for a more reasonable price. Check the website for the colours!…

  47. Stan November 21, 2006 at 12:02 pm

    You’re right – way too much $ for a piece of metal. But this world is not that simple and there are people who will pay that kind of money regardless. Pitty.

  48. kat from london November 21, 2006 at 10:27 am

    I’m all for sustainability but why not get yourself a second hand bike and cut out all the pollution that goes along with making a new bike and delivering it to other countries and save yourself a pretty penny at the same time? I don’t really think you’ll look ‘fashionable’ as the company would like to suggest. You’ll just look like a mug for paying that much money for it while you parade down the street (and I say ‘parade’ as you won’t be able to manoeuvre through traffic with those handlebars!)

  49. Alb - VEL-Vec November 21, 2006 at 8:58 am

    I love this bike…this month Stradivariu’s Shop…i think this brand is Inditex Brand, and i don’t know if in the rest of de countries exists, well…Stradivarius WindowShop have one model of Jorg&Olif bike…and every day i walk beside this shop…and every day i falling love.

    And now…I discovers the desingners!! Its Amazing!!

    Thanks por put here the information about this desingers, this newsletter mail was incredible when i saw “the Bike”.

    Rob…i think this bike is too expensive…maybe can buy it…but…there are millions of bike more cheap than this…and its more possible for me a cheap bike…

    but…I LOVE THIS BIKE!

    byee!! http://www.fotolog.com/velcrovector

  50. ursula November 21, 2006 at 5:15 am

    This made me laugh out loud! If people are crazy enough to buy into this, good for Jorg & Olif. Being born and bred Dutch I wish I’d come up with a money spinner like this!

  51. rob in chicago November 20, 2006 at 7:27 pm

    Nice looking, but c’mon. Get an old Schwinn, all fixed up and shiny, for $200 or less. Add a Brooks saddle for $100. Enjoy the $400-$1000 you didn’t spend on the “Dutch” bike.

  52. spinster November 20, 2006 at 4:53 pm

    *gasp* … between $795 and $1,295?? Sounds like a rip-off to me. Similarly-designed bikes cost approx. €200 here in the Netherlands. Beware: these types of lights and dynamos suck. Good (and slightly more expensive) Dutch bikes now all have dynamos and brakes built into the front wheel hub — much, much better.
    FYI, I’m riding a “mama bike”, similar to this one (but a bit less fancy) at the moment. Cost me about €300, it’s super solid and my toddler loves the front seat.

  53. Niels November 20, 2006 at 4:16 pm

    Finally the good-old dutch Opa and Opoe (dutch slang for gran-pa, granny) bike goes global..
    I think there is no one in the Netherland that doesn’t at least own one! I own 3 of those bikes, and love ‘m.
    1 is for the parts, the other two actually ride to get around the Hague.
    I’m a guy, but like to ride the granny model most. Easy to get off, very comfortable. Good for flirting.. becouse of the high and straight up seating position. So North Amerika, have fun with our design-classic of the 19th century
    It’s a lifestyle..

    Greetings,

    Niels

  54. Cat November 20, 2006 at 4:13 pm

    I find it unbelievable that they ask so much money for those bikes! With a bit of luck you can get a brand new one for $100,- here in the Netherlands….from $795,-…. unbelievable…

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