Comments on: World’s Largest Solar Power Plant Coming To CA Mojave Desert http://inhabitat.com/mojave-desert-solar-power-fields/ Green design & eco innovation for a better world Wed, 22 May 2013 15:39:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: D.Walton8 http://inhabitat.com/mojave-desert-solar-power-fields/comment-page-1/#comment-310624 D.Walton8 Sat, 02 Apr 2011 01:51:28 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/04/10/mojave-desert-solar-power-fields/#comment-310624 It renderes itself in dispensible to our vitality in some manner I feal fit either wise dispensible /win itself.M.A./D.W. As seen fullfilling it is necessary to grant such aleviating source oppertunities for the collaboration of the grid integrity while current placement of a divisible contingency is neccesary todue-l-configure seems more than computable. It renderes itself in dispensible to our vitality in some manner I feal fit either wise dispensible /win itself.M.A./D.W. As seen fullfilling it is necessary to grant such aleviating source oppertunities for the collaboration of the grid integrity while current placement of a divisible contingency is neccesary todue-l-configure seems more than computable.

]]> By: Nastaran http://inhabitat.com/mojave-desert-solar-power-fields/comment-page-1/#comment-285555 Nastaran Wed, 22 Dec 2010 06:34:21 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/04/10/mojave-desert-solar-power-fields/#comment-285555 We need pure solar energy not solar thermal one.By using solar panels ,and we need to have multi use of the land ,like digging for water to grow vegetables,flowers, or raise chickens,natural and free range of course,under the shadows of these solar panels ,like the way the land is wisely used in Japan and Israel.The panels should be installed on two 7-8 feet high poles in north to south arrays and be able to rotate around a central rod attached to these two poles to have prependicular positions to the sunrays at all times of the day .According to the movement of the sun during the day from east to west,so to get the most out of the sunlight like the way we Bar-B-Que a chicken rotessorie.We can even install small wind turbines on top of these poles and harvest both types of energy.The type of Mohave solar thermal energy is not advanced technology. It is too little too late and it is a lame duck use of the sunlight. Using solar panels and small wind fans on every roof in California is another way of securing a great harvest of energy.The high price of homes in California makes the price of these panels and their instalations sound reasonable .We can even sell energy to other states or countries because of our wheather system,topography, and geography.Tell this also to the government of Iran who is trying to go nuclear while that country is a collassal raised bed ideal for harvesting solar and wind energy. It is frustrating to see how slow people move toward sanity(no noise,no smog ,no asthma,and no nuclear fall out) when it comes to energy use. We need pure solar energy not solar thermal one.By using solar panels ,and we need to have multi use of the land ,like digging for water to grow vegetables,flowers, or raise chickens,natural and free range of course,under the shadows of these solar panels ,like the way the land is wisely used in Japan and Israel.The panels should be installed on two 7-8 feet high poles in north to south arrays and be able to rotate around a central rod attached to these two poles to have prependicular positions to the sunrays at all times of the day .According to the movement of the sun during the day from east to west,so to get the most out of the sunlight like the way we Bar-B-Que a chicken rotessorie.We can even install small wind turbines on top of these poles and harvest both types of energy.The type of Mohave solar thermal energy is not advanced technology. It is too little too late and it is a lame duck use of the sunlight.
Using solar panels and small wind fans on every roof in California is another way of securing a great harvest of energy.The high price of homes in California makes the price of these panels and their instalations sound reasonable .We can even sell energy to other states or countries because of our wheather system,topography, and geography.Tell this also to the government of Iran who is trying to go nuclear while that country is a collassal raised bed ideal for harvesting solar and wind energy.
It is frustrating to see how slow people move toward sanity(no noise,no smog ,no asthma,and no nuclear fall out) when it comes to energy use.

]]> By: jeromeww2 http://inhabitat.com/mojave-desert-solar-power-fields/comment-page-1/#comment-239352 jeromeww2 Sun, 04 Jul 2010 16:42:20 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/04/10/mojave-desert-solar-power-fields/#comment-239352 Plant trees and shade your ac unit, don't leave it in the sun trying to cool, like the one person said, just one part of the answer.....diesel engines pull the coal, and tons of water used to keep the dust down, moving it on conveyors, less people loosing their lives in mines, but over time everything will adjust...but remember the people benefit due to the power companies are allowed to recoup the cost of fuel, that is a big part of our power bill. Plant trees and shade your ac unit, don’t leave it in the sun trying to cool, like the one person said, just one part of the answer…..diesel engines pull the coal, and tons of water used to keep the dust down, moving it on conveyors, less people loosing their lives in mines, but over time everything will adjust…but remember the people benefit due to the power companies are allowed to recoup the cost of fuel, that is a big part of our power bill.

]]> By: dpberry http://inhabitat.com/mojave-desert-solar-power-fields/comment-page-1/#comment-227377 dpberry Thu, 20 May 2010 22:57:06 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/04/10/mojave-desert-solar-power-fields/#comment-227377 If these were placed throughout the world with a global \"UN type\" effort, when the conditions are cloudy or dark in one area, they are condcive in another. A world grid could become a great thing. It would have to be governed by a \"UN type\" body. It would also remove Iran\'s excuse for enriching plutonium, and remove the strangle hold that OPEC has on all of us. In fact, the Talliban would lose strenght. The world would be a great place of peacefull people! If these were placed throughout the world with a global \”UN type\” effort, when the conditions are cloudy or dark in one area, they are condcive in another. A world grid could become a great thing. It would have to be governed by a \”UN type\” body. It would also remove Iran\’s excuse for enriching plutonium, and remove the strangle hold that OPEC has on all of us. In fact, the Talliban would lose strenght. The world would be a great place of peacefull people!

]]> By: Slingo http://inhabitat.com/mojave-desert-solar-power-fields/comment-page-1/#comment-122483 Slingo Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:45:08 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/04/10/mojave-desert-solar-power-fields/#comment-122483 Feinstein Seeks To Block Solar Power From California Desert Land. That says it all, you will never get it past our girl Feinstein. Solar panels in the Mojave Desert will distroy the Desert Tortus population. Go drill in the ocean. Feinstein Seeks To Block Solar Power From California Desert Land. That says it all, you will never get it past our girl Feinstein. Solar panels in the Mojave Desert will distroy the Desert Tortus population. Go drill in the ocean.

]]> By: Rainer Dickermann http://inhabitat.com/mojave-desert-solar-power-fields/comment-page-1/#comment-115980 Rainer Dickermann Sun, 25 Jan 2009 06:09:26 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/04/10/mojave-desert-solar-power-fields/#comment-115980 It is amazing how many people take for granted that solar power must be expensive! If I consider how much security technology has to be put into a nuclear power plant, why is it cheaper than solar power? Think about it! Then, who says nuclear power is *clean*? It is dangerous! People have forgotten about accidents of the past - or recent one's in France? Plutonium in the water - thank you very much! BTW, solar power will show its full potential when used to generate synthesis-gas: 2 H2 + CO2 -> H2O + H2CO. Not only can this gas be used like normal gas, it is also useful to create all kinds of chemicals that we are using oil for nowadays! And do you see: it is *consuming* CO2! How amazing! It is amazing how many people take for granted that solar power must be expensive! If I consider how much security technology has to be put into a nuclear power plant, why is it cheaper than solar power? Think about it! Then, who says nuclear power is *clean*? It is dangerous! People have forgotten about accidents of the past – or recent one’s in France? Plutonium in the water – thank you very much! BTW, solar power will show its full potential when used to generate synthesis-gas: 2 H2 + CO2 -> H2O + H2CO. Not only can this gas be used like normal gas, it is also useful to create all kinds of chemicals that we are using oil for nowadays! And do you see: it is *consuming* CO2! How amazing!

]]> By: frflyer http://inhabitat.com/mojave-desert-solar-power-fields/comment-page-1/#comment-111418 frflyer Sat, 15 Nov 2008 20:19:33 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/04/10/mojave-desert-solar-power-fields/#comment-111418 Anyone interested in this subject should read the excellent article on solar thermal at: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/04/14/solar_electric_thermal/index.html Cuthb809 Nuclear has more hurdles to jump than red tape. It is completely unsustainable. This is a must read article before considering nuclear power. http://www.theleaneconomyconnection.net/downloads.html#Nuclear One of nuclear's biggest negatives is the enormous amount of water needed to cool the reactor. This isn't a problem with solar thermal, which can be water or air cooled. Even when water cooled, the amount of water is miniscule compared to that required by nuclear. devassocx Geothermal is fine, but has nowhere near the overall potential of solar. Listen to fireofenergy. He has it right. The url for the Scientific American article someone mentioned is. http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=a-solar-grand-plan I don't agree with their emphasis on concentrating PV verses solar thermal, but the article shows what we can do and how we can pay for it. Anyone interested in this subject should read the excellent article on solar thermal at:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/04/14/solar_electric_thermal/index.html

Cuthb809

Nuclear has more hurdles to jump than red tape.
It is completely unsustainable.
This is a must read article before considering nuclear power.
http://www.theleaneconomyconnection.net/downloads.html#Nuclear

One of nuclear’s biggest negatives is the enormous amount of water needed to cool the reactor. This isn’t a problem with solar thermal, which can be water or air cooled. Even when water cooled, the amount of water is miniscule compared to that required by nuclear.

devassocx

Geothermal is fine, but has nowhere near the overall potential of solar.

Listen to fireofenergy. He has it right.

The url for the Scientific American article someone mentioned is.
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=a-solar-grand-plan
I don’t agree with their emphasis on concentrating PV verses solar thermal, but the article shows what we can do and how we can pay for it.

]]> By: anitha jasmine http://inhabitat.com/mojave-desert-solar-power-fields/comment-page-1/#comment-109248 anitha jasmine Mon, 27 Oct 2008 06:18:42 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/04/10/mojave-desert-solar-power-fields/#comment-109248 actually i opened this site for assignment i think now i got a part of search here actually i opened this site for assignment i think now i got a part of search here

]]> By: fireofenergy http://inhabitat.com/mojave-desert-solar-power-fields/comment-page-1/#comment-107964 fireofenergy Sun, 19 Oct 2008 14:41:26 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/04/10/mojave-desert-solar-power-fields/#comment-107964 America is watching the icecaps melt (and our economy too). This is because we are sending billions of dollars overseas every week! Please consider Concentrated Solar Thermal as America's main power plant. Why? Because CST stores the suns energy as heat for ON DEMAND electricity. CST works by using lots of mirrors that reflect sunlight to heat a fluid which fills a resevoir. CST is the only energy source that can provide the USA with unlimited clean energy! CST would be cheaper than complete CO2 sequesteration needed for clean coal if governments help support its massive deployment. (All energy options have recieved government help) CST would also be cheaper than nuclear (they both need help). CST only uses desert land, not forests. And can supply the world with unlimited energy. Since all renewable energy is labor intinsive, millions of jobs and millions more of secondary jobs would boost the economy such that governments would probably get more taxes back. And finally, CST would be much welcomed by most people, unlike "clean coal" and nuclear. There are very few emissions associated with solar. America is watching the icecaps melt (and our economy too). This is because we are sending billions of dollars overseas every week!

Please consider Concentrated Solar Thermal as America’s main power plant. Why? Because CST stores the suns energy as heat for ON DEMAND electricity.

CST works by using lots of mirrors that reflect sunlight to heat a fluid which fills a resevoir.

CST is the only energy source that can provide the USA with unlimited clean energy!

CST would be cheaper than complete CO2 sequesteration needed for clean coal if governments help support its massive deployment. (All energy options have recieved government help)

CST would also be cheaper than nuclear (they both need help).

CST only uses desert land, not forests. And can supply the world with unlimited energy.

Since all renewable energy is labor intinsive, millions of jobs and millions more of secondary jobs would boost the economy such that governments would probably get more taxes back.

And finally, CST would be much welcomed by most people, unlike “clean coal” and nuclear. There are very few emissions associated with solar.

]]> By: devassocx@yahoo.com http://inhabitat.com/mojave-desert-solar-power-fields/comment-page-1/#comment-98436 devassocx@yahoo.com Mon, 01 Sep 2008 05:41:38 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/04/10/mojave-desert-solar-power-fields/#comment-98436 I think geothermal can be more than competitive with solar and other forms of energy production, including coal. And Geo is naturally 24-7. Further, Geo sources are plentiful in the western US. Maybe the Geo lobby isn't as powerful as some of these other energy groups??? I think geothermal can be more than competitive with solar and other forms of energy production, including coal.

And Geo is naturally 24-7. Further, Geo sources are plentiful in the western US.

Maybe the Geo lobby isn’t as powerful as some of these other energy groups???

]]> By: Cuthb809 http://inhabitat.com/mojave-desert-solar-power-fields/comment-page-1/#comment-87313 Cuthb809 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 16:45:15 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/04/10/mojave-desert-solar-power-fields/#comment-87313 this type of solar thermal energy is really cheap and one of the most efficient. I am writing a report on this, so here are some facts. the new type of clean coal power plants cost 14 million per MW. this solar plant will only cost 3.3 million per MW. the only type of power that can compete with that price and is clean is nuclear, but there is sooooo much red tape to jump through to get one built it is currently not an option.... but it will be soon this type of solar thermal energy is really cheap and one of the most efficient. I am writing a report on this, so here are some facts. the new type of clean coal power plants cost 14 million per MW. this solar plant will only cost 3.3 million per MW. the only type of power that can compete with that price and is clean is nuclear, but there is sooooo much red tape to jump through to get one built it is currently not an option…. but it will be soon

]]> By: Inhabitat » Green House in Melbourne by Zen Architects http://inhabitat.com/mojave-desert-solar-power-fields/comment-page-1/#comment-83138 Inhabitat » Green House in Melbourne by Zen Architects Fri, 30 May 2008 19:12:22 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/04/10/mojave-desert-solar-power-fields/#comment-83138 [...] was accomplished by cross ventilation and a “thermal chimney” through a two story void. A solar hot water system and hydronic heating system provide internal heating, coupled with high performance [...] [...] was accomplished by cross ventilation and a “thermal chimney” through a two story void. A solar hot water system and hydronic heating system provide internal heating, coupled with high performance [...]

]]> By: Inhabitat » PREFAB FRIDAY: Maison EvolutiV by Olgga http://inhabitat.com/mojave-desert-solar-power-fields/comment-page-1/#comment-80935 Inhabitat » PREFAB FRIDAY: Maison EvolutiV by Olgga Fri, 09 May 2008 14:15:38 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/04/10/mojave-desert-solar-power-fields/#comment-80935 [...] in its small ecological footprint. The Maison evolutiV consumes only 48 kWh/square meter per year. Solar thermal on the roof provides hot water and wool wood insulation helps keep the structure’s temperature [...] [...] in its small ecological footprint. The Maison evolutiV consumes only 48 kWh/square meter per year. Solar thermal on the roof provides hot water and wool wood insulation helps keep the structure’s temperature [...]

]]> By: jack http://inhabitat.com/mojave-desert-solar-power-fields/comment-page-1/#comment-78834 jack Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:39:24 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/04/10/mojave-desert-solar-power-fields/#comment-78834 On line in 2011, why not tomorrow? There is a solar power plant sitting idle in Barstow, CA., built back in the Carter Administration. It is just sitting out in the mojave, I know it is not in use because when it was in operation the boiler tower glow made you squint. Everyone who has driven to Vegas or L.A. passes the plant it is just east of the Marine Base. With all the talk about green energy, I can't understand why they haven't switched the place back on. In fact I don't understand why they ever shut the place off, since it was built with taxpayers money? It was touted as a liquid salt boiler system. Also does anyone know what happen to California Edison's revolutionary photo voltaic material that was announced on the front page of the L.A. Times years ago. I remember that it was a sheet material that could be rolled out and stapled to roofs, it had tiny glass balls inbeded into the material. That was the first and last time I heard anything about the product, what happen? On line in 2011, why not tomorrow? There is a solar power plant sitting idle in Barstow, CA., built back in the Carter Administration. It is just sitting out in the mojave, I know it is not in use because when it was in operation the boiler tower glow made you squint. Everyone who has driven to Vegas or L.A. passes the plant it is just east of the Marine Base. With all the talk about green energy, I can’t understand why they haven’t switched the place back on. In fact I don’t understand why they ever shut the place off, since it was built with taxpayers money? It was touted as a liquid salt boiler system.
Also does anyone know what happen to California Edison’s revolutionary photo voltaic material that was announced on the front page of the L.A. Times years ago. I remember that it was a sheet material that could be rolled out and stapled to roofs, it had tiny glass balls inbeded into the material. That was the first and last time I heard anything about the product, what happen?

]]> By: MilwaukeeUndergrad http://inhabitat.com/mojave-desert-solar-power-fields/comment-page-1/#comment-78803 MilwaukeeUndergrad Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:32:43 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/04/10/mojave-desert-solar-power-fields/#comment-78803 Night time is not the peak in demand, it is just the opposite. This is why some commercial and educational buildings have shifted to using energy to freeze water at night and then using it almost as a chiller during the day... the ice is produced during low demand periods. It is great to see alternative energy sources being utilized more and more frequently. Night time is not the peak in demand, it is just the opposite. This is why some commercial and educational buildings have shifted to using energy to freeze water at night and then using it almost as a chiller during the day… the ice is produced during low demand periods.

It is great to see alternative energy sources being utilized more and more frequently.

]]> By: not so awkward http://inhabitat.com/mojave-desert-solar-power-fields/comment-page-1/#comment-78801 not so awkward Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:46:55 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/04/10/mojave-desert-solar-power-fields/#comment-78801 your referring to the evening when most corporate business's close at 5-6PM and the AC is turned down for the day right? your referring to the evening when most corporate business’s close at 5-6PM and the AC is turned down for the day right?

]]> By: geofff http://inhabitat.com/mojave-desert-solar-power-fields/comment-page-1/#comment-78800 geofff Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:46:19 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/04/10/mojave-desert-solar-power-fields/#comment-78800 Good question Dr. Awkward. In the southwest, in the summer time, daytime use of energy is a peak period due to business hours and air conditioning use. However, there are ways to save the excess heat energy for use during the night. One way is to heat molten salt and put it in a container. This molten salt can be tapped to generate power longer into the night. Another way is to compress air into large underground chambers. The natural gas industry already does this for storing excess natural gas. Scientific American has an interesting article on this. Even so, no one is proposing this kind of solar power as the solution to all of our energy needs. It\'s just a part of the overall solution. All of the energy produced by these installations will reduce the demand for fossil fuels. Good question Dr. Awkward. In the southwest, in the summer time, daytime use of energy is a peak period due to business hours and air conditioning use. However, there are ways to save the excess heat energy for use during the night. One way is to heat molten salt and put it in a container. This molten salt can be tapped to generate power longer into the night. Another way is to compress air into large underground chambers. The natural gas industry already does this for storing excess natural gas. Scientific American has an interesting article on this. Even so, no one is proposing this kind of solar power as the solution to all of our energy needs. It\’s just a part of the overall solution. All of the energy produced by these installations will reduce the demand for fossil fuels.

]]> By: zbeast http://inhabitat.com/mojave-desert-solar-power-fields/comment-page-1/#comment-78797 zbeast Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:31:56 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/04/10/mojave-desert-solar-power-fields/#comment-78797 flywheels my boy fly wheels... No I really have no idea what you do at night or on cloudy days or during times when the the mirrors need cleaning. I have no idea is this power system is cheap.. Ya, ya but suns free man but... it does cost a lot to build these power stations so do they make more in money than it cost to run? Just because its "green" does not mean its good. flywheels my boy fly wheels…
No I really have no idea what you do at night or on cloudy days or during times when
the the mirrors need cleaning. I have no idea is this power system is cheap..
Ya, ya but suns free man but… it does cost a lot to build these power stations so do they
make more in money than it cost to run? Just because its “green” does not mean its good.

]]> By: World’s Largest Solar Power Plant Coming To CA Mojave Desert « Wigglez Talks http://inhabitat.com/mojave-desert-solar-power-fields/comment-page-1/#comment-78796 World’s Largest Solar Power Plant Coming To CA Mojave Desert « Wigglez Talks Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:29:15 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/04/10/mojave-desert-solar-power-fields/#comment-78796 [...] World’s Largest Solar Power Plant [...] [...] World’s Largest Solar Power Plant [...]

]]> By: Dr. Awkward http://inhabitat.com/mojave-desert-solar-power-fields/comment-page-1/#comment-78791 Dr. Awkward Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:37:32 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/04/10/mojave-desert-solar-power-fields/#comment-78791 So how do they account for the sudden drop in energy generation at nightfall, right in the middle of peak time? Not a criticism; it's just something that needs to be dealt with and I'd like to know how. So how do they account for the sudden drop in energy generation at nightfall, right in the middle of peak time? Not a criticism; it’s just something that needs to be dealt with and I’d like to know how.

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