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	<title>Comments on: New Study Suggests Pacific Ocean is Polluted With&#8230; Coffee?</title>
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		<title>By: johnbshannon</title>
		<link>http://inhabitat.com/new-study-suggests-pacific-ocean-is-polluted-with-coffee/comment-page-1/#comment-394376</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2012 05:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last time I was out on the water, I noticed the fish were a little &#039;jumpy&#039; -- too much caffeine?

John Brian Shannon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last time I was out on the water, I noticed the fish were a little &#8216;jumpy&#8217; &#8212; too much caffeine?</p>
<p>John Brian Shannon</p>
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		<title>By: dtpennington</title>
		<link>http://inhabitat.com/new-study-suggests-pacific-ocean-is-polluted-with-coffee/comment-page-1/#comment-391954</link>
		<dc:creator>dtpennington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2012 17:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kind of an odd form of pollution. Are we doing similar studies on the other drugs and compounds that get flushed out with human waste? This makes for a cute headline, but I doubt it is the worst thing that is going into our water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kind of an odd form of pollution. Are we doing similar studies on the other drugs and compounds that get flushed out with human waste? This makes for a cute headline, but I doubt it is the worst thing that is going into our water.</p>
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		<title>By: hbergeronx</title>
		<link>http://inhabitat.com/new-study-suggests-pacific-ocean-is-polluted-with-coffee/comment-page-1/#comment-391712</link>
		<dc:creator>hbergeronx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2012 22:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One nanogram per liter is the equivalent of a single cup of coffee diluted into ~100 million (1x10^8) liters, or ~422 million cups of water. The study measured the samples days after a rainstorm, when pollution from storm drain and septic runoff was at its maximum. There&#039;s no doubt that it is man-made pollution, but if pollution on that scale &quot;matters&quot;, then coffee will have to be disposed of as hazardous waste. Even a cup of coffee casually tossed overboard on a ship should make a measurable &quot;plume&quot; of &quot;contamination&quot; at those levels.

But the science behind this paper (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0025326X12001804) is extremely hazy. They cite another paper (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0048969702000645) which measured North Sea concentrations of caffeine between 5 and 15 ng/l. Without scale, it is impossible to tell what that means. The North sea has an area and average depth of 7.5x10^5 km^2 and 0.095 km respectively- about 7x10^4 cubic kilometers, or  7x10^16 liters. At 10 ng/l, that&#039;s 7x10^6 grams, equivalent to about 7x10^5 kilograms of coffee poured directly into the ocean. The whole world produces 8x10^9 kilos of coffee (along with 4x10^9 kg of tea) every year, so it&#039;s entirely conceivable that such an amount could be discharged. However, the study does not take into account for the rate at which, if at all, it is biodegraded. Clearly, from coffee and tea alone, the amount going into our drains (and toilets) is far larger than what is measured.

Furthermore, they measured up to 8 ng/l in their *control* samples. Rather than attempting to more aggressively control for contamination (or method error, a much more plausible reason) they simply report values under this level as &quot;not detected&quot;. I personally would argue that they may have a contamination problem on their GCMS injector port before I made the field samplers wear moonsuits to work.

I would agree that the bioaccumulation of waste products of our lifestyle will always present an environmental challenge- but that challenge is a factor of the large numbers of people on the planet. It&#039;s not as simple as &quot;chemicals in&quot; meaning the same thing as pollution. The extent to which coffee is or is not biodegradable needs to be factored.

We are not &quot;caffeinating the oceans&quot; as the title implies- we just have a poor idea of the scale of human impact on the planet. Caffeine is exceptionally easy to detect, not least of which because it is a digestion product of DNA in the coffee and tea plant, and DNA bases and their metabolites are easily detected. There&#039;s no doubt that it has an impact on our world. But we&#039;ve been &quot;caffeinating&quot; our streams and lakes for hundreds, if not thousands of years. It&#039;s worth noting that scientists can detect evidence of our behavior, but we need much more research to figure out what that has meant in the past, and what it means today.

-Matt Harbowy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One nanogram per liter is the equivalent of a single cup of coffee diluted into ~100 million (1&#215;10^8) liters, or ~422 million cups of water. The study measured the samples days after a rainstorm, when pollution from storm drain and septic runoff was at its maximum. There&#8217;s no doubt that it is man-made pollution, but if pollution on that scale &#8220;matters&#8221;, then coffee will have to be disposed of as hazardous waste. Even a cup of coffee casually tossed overboard on a ship should make a measurable &#8220;plume&#8221; of &#8220;contamination&#8221; at those levels.</p>
<p>But the science behind this paper (<a href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0025326X12001804" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0025326X12001804</a>) is extremely hazy. They cite another paper (<a href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0048969702000645" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0048969702000645</a>) which measured North Sea concentrations of caffeine between 5 and 15 ng/l. Without scale, it is impossible to tell what that means. The North sea has an area and average depth of 7.5&#215;10^5 km^2 and 0.095 km respectively- about 7&#215;10^4 cubic kilometers, or  7&#215;10^16 liters. At 10 ng/l, that&#8217;s 7&#215;10^6 grams, equivalent to about 7&#215;10^5 kilograms of coffee poured directly into the ocean. The whole world produces 8&#215;10^9 kilos of coffee (along with 4&#215;10^9 kg of tea) every year, so it&#8217;s entirely conceivable that such an amount could be discharged. However, the study does not take into account for the rate at which, if at all, it is biodegraded. Clearly, from coffee and tea alone, the amount going into our drains (and toilets) is far larger than what is measured.</p>
<p>Furthermore, they measured up to 8 ng/l in their *control* samples. Rather than attempting to more aggressively control for contamination (or method error, a much more plausible reason) they simply report values under this level as &#8220;not detected&#8221;. I personally would argue that they may have a contamination problem on their GCMS injector port before I made the field samplers wear moonsuits to work.</p>
<p>I would agree that the bioaccumulation of waste products of our lifestyle will always present an environmental challenge- but that challenge is a factor of the large numbers of people on the planet. It&#8217;s not as simple as &#8220;chemicals in&#8221; meaning the same thing as pollution. The extent to which coffee is or is not biodegradable needs to be factored.</p>
<p>We are not &#8220;caffeinating the oceans&#8221; as the title implies- we just have a poor idea of the scale of human impact on the planet. Caffeine is exceptionally easy to detect, not least of which because it is a digestion product of DNA in the coffee and tea plant, and DNA bases and their metabolites are easily detected. There&#8217;s no doubt that it has an impact on our world. But we&#8217;ve been &#8220;caffeinating&#8221; our streams and lakes for hundreds, if not thousands of years. It&#8217;s worth noting that scientists can detect evidence of our behavior, but we need much more research to figure out what that has meant in the past, and what it means today.</p>
<p>-Matt Harbowy</p>
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		<title>By: vikimaui</title>
		<link>http://inhabitat.com/new-study-suggests-pacific-ocean-is-polluted-with-coffee/comment-page-1/#comment-391706</link>
		<dc:creator>vikimaui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2012 21:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt that coffee is the primary source for all this caffeine.  What about caffeinated sodas, snacks and over the counter pill products?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt that coffee is the primary source for all this caffeine.  What about caffeinated sodas, snacks and over the counter pill products?</p>
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		<title>By: bugmenot</title>
		<link>http://inhabitat.com/new-study-suggests-pacific-ocean-is-polluted-with-coffee/comment-page-1/#comment-391263</link>
		<dc:creator>bugmenot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 06:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would this have anything to do with people using old coffee grounds as compost in their gardens? (Starbucks will even give you theirs for free.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would this have anything to do with people using old coffee grounds as compost in their gardens? (Starbucks will even give you theirs for free.)</p>
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