Comments on: Pyramid Farm is a Vision of Vertical Agriculture for 2060 http://inhabitat.com/pyramid-farm-vertical-agriculture-for-2060/ Green design & eco innovation for a better world Mon, 20 May 2013 06:38:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: bthinker http://inhabitat.com/pyramid-farm-vertical-agriculture-for-2060/comment-page-1/#comment-395733 bthinker Fri, 14 Sep 2012 03:04:39 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/?p=30601#comment-395733 Wow, after reading these comments, I don't just know, but I'm fine with our demise. All but a few of you aren't for the future. You sit there stolid and whiney achieving nothing more than wasted energy of the food I burned off to read it. You rednecks need to stay off the ecological articles or actually learn from them for a change. I really think we need to take technology away from those who don't believe in it. Go take your bible and live in the jungle of the flat earth you believe in. Curl up and die out of my sight please. This is a fine idea, as to the southeast being the only point of sun stated by one commenter, you're wrong, that's the reason Nasa uses Pyramid shaped biostructures in spacegrid achitecture, it reflects the light around by design and also maximises radiance and heat concentration to the peak where it can be expelled or put to use. It takes years of reading to get to the point of rational assumptions and decissions and it's clear we can't let the uninformed populous choose the future. We wouldn't even be using alternating current if you bunch of stagnant near omish minded lamens got your way. First 2 steps to your mental growth, realize you're not immortal, secondly realize you're an automaton. After you meet those 2 key components realize you are what you eat, sensory wise, intake less trash. Then come back on sites and comment something that's not garbage, thanks. Wow, after reading these comments, I don’t just know, but I’m fine with our demise. All but a few of you aren’t for the future. You sit there stolid and whiney achieving nothing more than wasted energy of the food I burned off to read it. You rednecks need to stay off the ecological articles or actually learn from them for a change. I really think we need to take technology away from those who don’t believe in it. Go take your bible and live in the jungle of the flat earth you believe in. Curl up and die out of my sight please.
This is a fine idea, as to the southeast being the only point of sun stated by one commenter, you’re wrong, that’s the reason Nasa uses Pyramid shaped biostructures in spacegrid achitecture, it reflects the light around by design and also maximises radiance and heat concentration to the peak where it can be expelled or put to use. It takes years of reading to get to the point of rational assumptions and decissions and it’s clear we can’t let the uninformed populous choose the future. We wouldn’t even be using alternating current if you bunch of stagnant near omish minded lamens got your way. First 2 steps to your mental growth, realize you’re not immortal, secondly realize you’re an automaton. After you meet those 2 key components realize you are what you eat, sensory wise, intake less trash. Then come back on sites and comment something that’s not garbage, thanks.

]]> By: jerry dillard http://inhabitat.com/pyramid-farm-vertical-agriculture-for-2060/comment-page-1/#comment-378333 jerry dillard Tue, 20 Mar 2012 00:27:45 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/?p=30601#comment-378333 What about the needed nitrogen cycle from soil & their microorganisms...Seems one more step in the direction of cutting down the Rain forest...What happened to a Natural future...? What about the needed nitrogen cycle from soil & their microorganisms…Seems one more step in the direction of cutting down the Rain forest…What happened to a Natural future…?

]]> By: Steve Ugha http://inhabitat.com/pyramid-farm-vertical-agriculture-for-2060/comment-page-1/#comment-350060 Steve Ugha Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:43:43 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/?p=30601#comment-350060 I am steve ugha by name in Benin City, Nigeria, I have a 10 acre of farm I wish to see photos plan of how your tents for relaxing/resting in the farm store/stock of heavested crops and housing, types of tractors machines that are needed for plouring and tilting the soil, planting and havesting. Also livstock breeding. biggery and fishery ponds. modern mthod of watering your vegetable & corns farms in the drying seasons. How do you cultivate your farms for all seasons? I am steve ugha by name in Benin City, Nigeria, I have a 10 acre of farm I wish to see photos plan of how your tents for relaxing/resting in the farm store/stock of heavested crops and housing, types of tractors machines that are needed for plouring and tilting the soil, planting and havesting. Also livstock breeding. biggery and fishery ponds. modern mthod of watering your vegetable & corns farms in the drying seasons. How do you cultivate your farms for all seasons?

]]> By: redgz20 http://inhabitat.com/pyramid-farm-vertical-agriculture-for-2060/comment-page-1/#comment-325641 redgz20 Mon, 02 May 2011 08:38:45 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/?p=30601#comment-325641 it would be nice if help together for the construction and design of the structure, in any ways we should not think which country will have the power or benefit for the project, we must think in establishing for the betterment of the worlds future. it would be nice if help together for the construction and design of the structure, in any ways we should not think which country will have the power or benefit for the project, we must think in establishing for the betterment of the worlds future.

]]> By: Eclipse Now http://inhabitat.com/pyramid-farm-vertical-agriculture-for-2060/comment-page-1/#comment-298813 Eclipse Now Thu, 10 Feb 2011 23:54:12 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/?p=30601#comment-298813 This is the head of ASPO's reply to the NYT article that criticises him. Note: the head of ASPO is a Professor of Global Energy Systems, and Michael Lynch of your quoted NYT article is an Economist! Interestingly, Kjell Aleklet and Michael Lynch have debated one another many times over the last 5 years. Sadly on this occasion the NYT decided not to publish Kjell's right of reply. I wonder why there was a bias against a respected energy expert and academic who has published peer-reviewed science respected by the world's leading geologists? http://www.peakoil.net/headline-news/reply-to-nyt-peak-oil-is-not-a-theory-peak-oil-is-the-reality-of-past-and-future-oil-p This is the head of ASPO’s reply to the NYT article that criticises him. Note: the head of ASPO is a Professor of Global Energy Systems, and Michael Lynch of your quoted NYT article is an Economist! Interestingly, Kjell Aleklet and Michael Lynch have debated one another many times over the last 5 years. Sadly on this occasion the NYT decided not to publish Kjell’s right of reply. I wonder why there was a bias against a respected energy expert and academic who has published peer-reviewed science respected by the world’s leading geologists?

http://www.peakoil.net/headline-news/reply-to-nyt-peak-oil-is-not-a-theory-peak-oil-is-the-reality-of-past-and-future-oil-p

]]> By: Eclipse Now http://inhabitat.com/pyramid-farm-vertical-agriculture-for-2060/comment-page-1/#comment-298812 Eclipse Now Thu, 10 Feb 2011 23:49:07 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/?p=30601#comment-298812 Wikileaks reveals Saudi Oil overstated by 40%! http://cleantechnica.com/2011/02/09/wikileaks-saudis-oil-reserves-overstated-by-nearly-40/ Wikileaks reveals Saudi Oil overstated by 40%!
http://cleantechnica.com/2011/02/09/wikileaks-saudis-oil-reserves-overstated-by-nearly-40/

]]> By: Eclipse Now http://inhabitat.com/pyramid-farm-vertical-agriculture-for-2060/comment-page-1/#comment-298810 Eclipse Now Thu, 10 Feb 2011 23:42:31 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/?p=30601#comment-298810 Hi Lazyreader, Michael Lynch is a well known anti-peak oil ECONOMIST — he's not even a scientist. He has brushed shoulders with Kjell Aleklett of ASPO on many occasions, and Kjell is well aware of Michael's *economic* arguments which ignore the fundamental energy systems and physics involved. Michael criticises ASPO, and Kjell is now the head of ASPO and unlike Michael actually is a Professor of Global Energy Systems in a university think-tank. Unlike Michael, he *knows* about energy. Yet the NYT liked Michael's message, and did not like the raw, frightening physics of Kjell's message. So the NYT did not give Kjell the right of reply — so he published it on his prestigious university think tank site. http://tinyurl.com/nxptdt Which 'expert' are you going to back in this field, and why? A lying economist who knows how to shmooze the papers and get his *propaganda* published, or an honest Professor of Global Energy systems? ;-) Take your pick. However, it should not be the mere opinion of experts that makes your mind up, but the raw physical realities. Fact: the discovery of CONVENTIONAL, easy to pump oil peaked in 1965 and discoveries have been all downhill ever since Fact: 56 of 65 oil producing nations have peaked Fact: the US Joint Forces Command concludes that new production cannot keep up with the ever vaster rate of depletion from those 56 post peak countries, and has concluded the world will be down 10 mbd by 2015. Fact: we are now discovering 1 barrel of conventional oil for every 4 or 5 barrels we burn Fact: the ERoEI of the oil we use is decreasing Fact: there is no *one* ready replacement for oil, but there are *stacks* of partial solutions that *should* work if we implement them simultaneously Fact: this can be accomplished by rezoning our cities for New Urbanism, which can be introduced over the next 20 years with accumulating environmental and economic benefits for those communities that adopt them first! Fact: the cheapest easiest way to replace the megabarrels of oil we burn is to replace it with 'negabarrels' and negate the NEED for that oil in the first place. Check this 4 minute video about New Urbanism! It's the best short summary of New Urbanism that I've ever encountered http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGJt_YXIoJI Then grab your favourite drink, and spend 20 minutes reading this great article about life in Manhattan, walkable communities, and living in a 'car-disciplined' city. http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/007800.html (Where catering to people, not cars, is the primary concern. There will be room for emergency services and some businesses to drive electric vehicles in a post-oil world, but maintaining the status quo should NOT be the primary objective in a land challenged, resource depleted world) Fact: These solutions won't work unless people WAKE UP and agree to their implementation! Fact: You are in the way — if you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem. Step aside! Regards Your mate downunder Hi Lazyreader,
Michael Lynch is a well known anti-peak oil ECONOMIST — he’s not even a scientist. He has brushed shoulders with Kjell Aleklett of ASPO on many occasions, and Kjell is well aware of Michael’s *economic* arguments which ignore the fundamental energy systems and physics involved. Michael criticises ASPO, and Kjell is now the head of ASPO and unlike Michael actually is a Professor of Global Energy Systems in a university think-tank. Unlike Michael, he *knows* about energy. Yet the NYT liked Michael’s message, and did not like the raw, frightening physics of Kjell’s message. So the NYT did not give Kjell the right of reply — so he published it on his prestigious university think tank site.

http://tinyurl.com/nxptdt

Which ‘expert’ are you going to back in this field, and why? A lying economist who knows how to shmooze the papers and get his *propaganda* published, or an honest Professor of Global Energy systems? ;-) Take your pick. However, it should not be the mere opinion of experts that makes your mind up, but the raw physical realities.

Fact: the discovery of CONVENTIONAL, easy to pump oil peaked in 1965 and discoveries have been all downhill ever since
Fact: 56 of 65 oil producing nations have peaked
Fact: the US Joint Forces Command concludes that new production cannot keep up with the ever vaster rate of depletion from those 56 post peak countries, and has concluded the world will be down 10 mbd by 2015.
Fact: we are now discovering 1 barrel of conventional oil for every 4 or 5 barrels we burn
Fact: the ERoEI of the oil we use is decreasing
Fact: there is no *one* ready replacement for oil, but there are *stacks* of partial solutions that *should* work if we implement them simultaneously
Fact: this can be accomplished by rezoning our cities for New Urbanism, which can be introduced over the next 20 years with accumulating environmental and economic benefits for those communities that adopt them first!
Fact: the cheapest easiest way to replace the megabarrels of oil we burn is to replace it with ‘negabarrels’ and negate the NEED for that oil in the first place.

Check this 4 minute video about New Urbanism! It’s the best short summary of New Urbanism that I’ve ever encountered
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGJt_YXIoJI
Then grab your favourite drink, and spend 20 minutes reading this great article about life in Manhattan, walkable communities, and living in a ‘car-disciplined’ city.
http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/007800.html
(Where catering to people, not cars, is the primary concern. There will be room for emergency services and some businesses to drive electric vehicles in a post-oil world, but maintaining the status quo should NOT be the primary objective in a land challenged, resource depleted world)

Fact: These solutions won’t work unless people WAKE UP and agree to their implementation!
Fact: You are in the way — if you’re not part of the solution you’re part of the problem. Step aside!

Regards
Your mate downunder

]]> By: eclipse now http://inhabitat.com/pyramid-farm-vertical-agriculture-for-2060/comment-page-1/#comment-298808 eclipse now Thu, 10 Feb 2011 23:37:53 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/?p=30601#comment-298808 Hi Lazyreader, Michael Lynch is a well known anti-peak oil ECONOMIST — he's not even a scientist. He has brushed shoulders with Kjell Aleklett of ASPO on many occasions, and Kjell is well aware of Michael's *economic* arguments which ignore the fundamental energy systems and physics involved. Michael criticises ASPO, and Kjell is now the head of ASPO and unlike Michael actually is a Professor of Global Energy Systems in a university think-tank. Unlike Michael, he *knows* about energy. Yet the NYT liked Michael's message, and did not like the raw, frightening physics of Kjell's message. So the NYT did not give Kjell the right of reply — so he published it on his prestigious university think tank site. http://tinyurl.com/nxptdt Which 'expert' are you going to back in this field, and why? A lying economist who knows how to shmooze the papers and get his *propaganda* published, or an honest Professor of Global Energy systems? ;-) Take your pick. However, it should not be the mere opinion of experts that makes your mind up, but the raw physical realities. Fact: the discovery of CONVENTIONAL, easy to pump oil peaked in 1965 and discoveries have been all downhill ever since Fact: 56 of 65 oil producing nations have peaked Fact: the US Joint Forces Command concludes that new production cannot keep up with the ever vaster rate of depletion from those 56 post peak countries, and has concluded the world will be down 10 mbd by 2015. Fact: we are now discovering 1 barrel of conventional oil for every 4 or 5 barrels we burn Fact: the ERoEI of the oil we use is decreasing Fact: there is no *one* ready replacement for oil, but there are *stacks* of partial solutions that *should* work if we implement them simultaneously Fact: this can be accomplished by rezoning our cities for New Urbanism, which can be introduced over the next 20 years with accumulating environmental and economic benefits for those communities that adopt them first! Fact: the cheapest easiest way to replace the megabarrels of oil we burn is to replace it with 'negabarrels' and negate the NEED for that oil in the first place. Check this 4 minute video about New Urbanism! It's the best short summary of New Urbanism that I've ever encountered http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGJt_YXIoJI Then grab your favourite drink, and spend 20 minutes reading this great article about life in Manhattan, walkable communities, and living in a 'car-disciplined' city. http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/007800.html (Where catering to people, not cars, is the primary concern. There will be room for emergency services and some businesses to drive electric vehicles in a post-oil world, but maintaining the status quo should NOT be the primary objective in a land challenged, resource depleted world) Fact: These solutions won't work unless people WAKE UP and agree to their implementation! Regards Your mate from downunder Hi Lazyreader,
Michael Lynch is a well known anti-peak oil ECONOMIST — he’s not even a scientist. He has brushed shoulders with Kjell Aleklett of ASPO on many occasions, and Kjell is well aware of Michael’s *economic* arguments which ignore the fundamental energy systems and physics involved. Michael criticises ASPO, and Kjell is now the head of ASPO and unlike Michael actually is a Professor of Global Energy Systems in a university think-tank. Unlike Michael, he *knows* about energy. Yet the NYT liked Michael’s message, and did not like the raw, frightening physics of Kjell’s message. So the NYT did not give Kjell the right of reply — so he published it on his prestigious university think tank site.

http://tinyurl.com/nxptdt

Which ‘expert’ are you going to back in this field, and why? A lying economist who knows how to shmooze the papers and get his *propaganda* published, or an honest Professor of Global Energy systems? ;-) Take your pick. However, it should not be the mere opinion of experts that makes your mind up, but the raw physical realities.

Fact: the discovery of CONVENTIONAL, easy to pump oil peaked in 1965 and discoveries have been all downhill ever since
Fact: 56 of 65 oil producing nations have peaked
Fact: the US Joint Forces Command concludes that new production cannot keep up with the ever vaster rate of depletion from those 56 post peak countries, and has concluded the world will be down 10 mbd by 2015.
Fact: we are now discovering 1 barrel of conventional oil for every 4 or 5 barrels we burn
Fact: the ERoEI of the oil we use is decreasing
Fact: there is no *one* ready replacement for oil, but there are *stacks* of partial solutions that *should* work if we implement them simultaneously
Fact: this can be accomplished by rezoning our cities for New Urbanism, which can be introduced over the next 20 years with accumulating environmental and economic benefits for those communities that adopt them first!
Fact: the cheapest easiest way to replace the megabarrels of oil we burn is to replace it with ‘negabarrels’ and negate the NEED for that oil in the first place.

Check this 4 minute video about New Urbanism! It’s the best short summary of New Urbanism that I’ve ever encountered
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGJt_YXIoJI
Then grab your favourite drink, and spend 20 minutes reading this great article about life in Manhattan, walkable communities, and living in a ‘car-disciplined’ city.
http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/007800.html
(Where catering to people, not cars, is the primary concern. There will be room for emergency services and some businesses to drive electric vehicles in a post-oil world, but maintaining the status quo should NOT be the primary objective in a land challenged, resource depleted world)

Fact: These solutions won’t work unless people WAKE UP and agree to their implementation!

Regards
Your mate from downunder

]]> By: lazyreader http://inhabitat.com/pyramid-farm-vertical-agriculture-for-2060/comment-page-1/#comment-298631 lazyreader Thu, 10 Feb 2011 13:36:06 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/?p=30601#comment-298631 http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/25/opinion/25lynch.html http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/25/opinion/25lynch.html

]]> By: lazyreader http://inhabitat.com/pyramid-farm-vertical-agriculture-for-2060/comment-page-1/#comment-298629 lazyreader Thu, 10 Feb 2011 13:31:25 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/?p=30601#comment-298629 Thanks for the opinion "mate". I assume your Australian. As an American I apologize for all the bull frogs and rabbits we sent you. Thanks for the opinion “mate”. I assume your Australian. As an American I apologize for all the bull frogs and rabbits we sent you.

]]> By: eclipse now http://inhabitat.com/pyramid-farm-vertical-agriculture-for-2060/comment-page-1/#comment-298459 eclipse now Wed, 09 Feb 2011 21:37:27 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/?p=30601#comment-298459 Why lazyreader, what an apt name you have! It shows in your general ignorance of matters of oil production, extraction rates, and what the tar-sands operators themselves say will be their maximum extraction rates in 5 and 10 years. When everyone from 'Mythbusting' celebrity scientists like Australia's Dr Karl through to the American Joint Forces Command all agree that peak oil is about now, and that by 2015 the world will be down 10mbd, then you can tell there's a problem. Most of the world's independent oil geologists agree that 56 of the world's top 65 oil producing nations have already peaked, and the *only* companies that are in denial are those that produce oil exclusively and have not diversified into other sources, like Exxon-Mobil. Sorry mate, but until you've read up a little more on why we know we are at peak oil, and just how SLOW the tar-sands will be to ramp up, and how there are ultimately limits on how fast we can access those tar-sands, well, I guess there's no point in this conversation. I'd recommend that you read my page 'Why now?' which has links to the Australian and American government inquiries that confirm the concerns of peak oilers, but you won't. You're lazy. And you've got your *opinion* and you're sticking to it. Give it 5 years and we'll see how that works out for ya! ;-) http://eclipsenow.wordpress.com/why-now/ Why lazyreader, what an apt name you have! It shows in your general ignorance of matters of oil production, extraction rates, and what the tar-sands operators themselves say will be their maximum extraction rates in 5 and 10 years. When everyone from ‘Mythbusting’ celebrity scientists like Australia’s Dr Karl through to the American Joint Forces Command all agree that peak oil is about now, and that by 2015 the world will be down 10mbd, then you can tell there’s a problem. Most of the world’s independent oil geologists agree that 56 of the world’s top 65 oil producing nations have already peaked, and the *only* companies that are in denial are those that produce oil exclusively and have not diversified into other sources, like Exxon-Mobil.

Sorry mate, but until you’ve read up a little more on why we know we are at peak oil, and just how SLOW the tar-sands will be to ramp up, and how there are ultimately limits on how fast we can access those tar-sands, well, I guess there’s no point in this conversation.

I’d recommend that you read my page ‘Why now?’ which has links to the Australian and American government inquiries that confirm the concerns of peak oilers, but you won’t. You’re lazy. And you’ve got your *opinion* and you’re sticking to it. Give it 5 years and we’ll see how that works out for ya! ;-)

http://eclipsenow.wordpress.com/why-now/

]]> By: lazyreader http://inhabitat.com/pyramid-farm-vertical-agriculture-for-2060/comment-page-1/#comment-298303 lazyreader Wed, 09 Feb 2011 13:24:01 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/?p=30601#comment-298303 I honestly don't put much stock in peak oil. A lot of peak oil theories we're made in the 70's and again in the 90's and they we're wrong. What we're running out of is Saudi Arabian style liquid crude oil. When that runs low we'll simply use non-conventional sources of petroleum. Alberta, Canada has way more tar sand oil than the Saudi's have liquid oil. And Colorado has much more oil shale than Alberta has tar sands. Until oil prices rise and stay that way permanently, we're not going to utilize these methods. I also don't put to much faith in Climate Change scenarios. Weather forecasting is the only job in the world where you can be wrong and still keep your job. We have problems enough predicting next weeks weather, and the idea that we can predict weather in 2060 is so ridiculous and personally arrogant. I wonder what happened to those people who predicted we'd enter another Ice Age. Even if so, I say let the world heat up, I'll grow oranges in Alaska. I honestly don’t put much stock in peak oil. A lot of peak oil theories we’re made in the 70′s and again in the 90′s and they we’re wrong. What we’re running out of is Saudi Arabian style liquid crude oil. When that runs low we’ll simply use non-conventional sources of petroleum. Alberta, Canada has way more tar sand oil than the Saudi’s have liquid oil. And Colorado has much more oil shale than Alberta has tar sands. Until oil prices rise and stay that way permanently, we’re not going to utilize these methods. I also don’t put to much faith in Climate Change scenarios. Weather forecasting is the only job in the world where you can be wrong and still keep your job. We have problems enough predicting next weeks weather, and the idea that we can predict weather in 2060 is so ridiculous and personally arrogant. I wonder what happened to those people who predicted we’d enter another Ice Age. Even if so, I say let the world heat up, I’ll grow oranges in Alaska.

]]> By: eclipse now http://inhabitat.com/pyramid-farm-vertical-agriculture-for-2060/comment-page-1/#comment-298100 eclipse now Tue, 08 Feb 2011 21:23:45 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/?p=30601#comment-298100 @ Lazyreader, you're ignoring the economic motivation to move to trams and trains and New Urbanism after peak oil hits. The challenge for policy makers is that the best time to build all the infrastructure for peak oil is BEFORE peak oil hits. Sadly, I don't see it happening, and it will make the post-peak rationing that much harder as we'll have that much more construction work to do to ensure a post-oil civilisation can actually function. @ Lazyreader,
you’re ignoring the economic motivation to move to trams and trains and New Urbanism after peak oil hits. The challenge for policy makers is that the best time to build all the infrastructure for peak oil is BEFORE peak oil hits. Sadly, I don’t see it happening, and it will make the post-peak rationing that much harder as we’ll have that much more construction work to do to ensure a post-oil civilisation can actually function.

]]> By: lazyreader http://inhabitat.com/pyramid-farm-vertical-agriculture-for-2060/comment-page-1/#comment-297951 lazyreader Tue, 08 Feb 2011 13:05:32 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/?p=30601#comment-297951 People forget...Europe which is often viewed with having tranquil villages or huge livable cities; they have suburbs too. http://ti.org/antiplanner/?p=2643 People forget…Europe which is often viewed with having tranquil villages or huge livable cities; they have suburbs too.

http://ti.org/antiplanner/?p=2643

]]> By: lazyreader http://inhabitat.com/pyramid-farm-vertical-agriculture-for-2060/comment-page-1/#comment-297950 lazyreader Tue, 08 Feb 2011 13:03:29 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/?p=30601#comment-297950 I've heard of new urbanism. Today we call it "Smart Growth" then it was called "New Urbanism" and before then it was referred to Neo-Traditionalism. New names for the same stupid stuff. Urbanites imagine that, if we had commuter trains or light-rail instead of freeways, most commuting would shift to rail....They built rail in Portland, and what is the result? They still have packed freeways, and TriMet is in the red for tens of millions (as it's been for years) raising its fares and reducing service on its bus lines. Avoiding the astronomical costs of WES, the OHSU tram, and the new MAX lines would seemingly have prevented such cuts. WES is a shining example of how commuter trains will not pull people from the freeways. And the idea of making low density areas more dense like cities? Cities like New York and Seattle are crowded and expensive. Tacoma is dirty and crime ridden. Lower density offers many advantages ( more open space, more shopping, more privacy, more community, more home-ownership, less noise, cleaner air, faster traffic, newer construction, better schools and less crime. I’ve heard of new urbanism. Today we call it “Smart Growth” then it was called “New Urbanism” and before then it was referred to Neo-Traditionalism. New names for the same stupid stuff. Urbanites imagine that, if we had commuter trains or light-rail instead of freeways, most commuting would shift to rail….They built rail in Portland, and what is the result? They still have packed freeways, and TriMet is in the red for tens of millions (as it’s been for years) raising its fares and reducing service on its bus lines. Avoiding the astronomical costs of WES, the OHSU tram, and the new MAX lines would seemingly have prevented such cuts. WES is a shining example of how commuter trains will not pull people from the freeways. And the idea of making low density areas more dense like cities? Cities like New York and Seattle are crowded and expensive. Tacoma is dirty and crime ridden. Lower density offers many advantages ( more open space, more shopping, more privacy, more community, more home-ownership, less noise, cleaner air, faster traffic, newer construction, better schools and less crime.

]]> By: bosshog http://inhabitat.com/pyramid-farm-vertical-agriculture-for-2060/comment-page-1/#comment-297850 bosshog Tue, 08 Feb 2011 01:20:38 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/?p=30601#comment-297850 @jymesnil thats what they said about housing @jymesnil thats what they said about housing

]]> By: herman miller santa rosa http://inhabitat.com/pyramid-farm-vertical-agriculture-for-2060/comment-page-1/#comment-297738 herman miller santa rosa Mon, 07 Feb 2011 19:47:29 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/?p=30601#comment-297738 Nevendula your right we must 'starting eating less meat and wasting less' America consumes so much. We need to address how much we waste. I wonder what if anything is being done to solve the issue of lack food in the future? Anyone know? I'm doing my part to reduce waste and encourage others to do the same. <a href="http://www.verdierarchitects.com" rel="nofollow">sustainable architects</a> Nevendula your right we must ‘starting eating less meat and wasting less’ America consumes so much. We need to address how much we waste. I wonder what if anything is being done to solve the issue of lack food in the future? Anyone know? I’m doing my part to reduce waste and encourage others to do the same. sustainable architects

]]> By: jymesnil http://inhabitat.com/pyramid-farm-vertical-agriculture-for-2060/comment-page-1/#comment-297717 jymesnil Mon, 07 Feb 2011 18:20:56 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/?p=30601#comment-297717 stupid ! I know the better solution : the ground :-) stupid ! I know the better solution : the ground :-)

]]> By: Ptex http://inhabitat.com/pyramid-farm-vertical-agriculture-for-2060/comment-page-1/#comment-297410 Ptex Sun, 06 Feb 2011 16:54:58 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/?p=30601#comment-297410 I could see this happening on at least a small scale. I don't think it would be unfeasible even on a large scale. Aquaponics uses fish waste, which is high in ammonia, to filter through bacteria growing on the roots of certain crops, which converts the ammonia into nitrogen, feeding the plants downstream of the water flow. This is a closed loop system which is already being used on a commercial scale, horizontally. Gardens exist vertically already. As do huge skycrapers. I could see this happening on at least a small scale. I don’t think it would be unfeasible even on a large scale.

Aquaponics uses fish waste, which is high in ammonia, to filter through bacteria growing on the roots of certain crops, which converts the ammonia into nitrogen, feeding the plants downstream of the water flow.

This is a closed loop system which is already being used on a commercial scale, horizontally.
Gardens exist vertically already.
As do huge skycrapers.

]]> By: Paracelsius http://inhabitat.com/pyramid-farm-vertical-agriculture-for-2060/comment-page-1/#comment-253458 Paracelsius Sun, 29 Aug 2010 18:33:16 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/?p=30601#comment-253458 If one runs out the future climate possibilities, one or more of them necessarily involve sheltered agriculture. Possibly above ground, possibly not. Expense won't be a consideration. The sooner we get good at sheltered permaculture the safer we'll be. If one runs out the future climate possibilities, one or more of them necessarily involve sheltered agriculture. Possibly above ground, possibly not. Expense won’t be a consideration. The sooner we get good at sheltered permaculture the safer we’ll be.

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