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	<title>Comments on: BOOK REVIEW: The Vertical Farm by Dick Despommier</title>
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	<description>Green design &#38; eco innovation for a better world</description>
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		<title>By: afilip</title>
		<link>http://inhabitat.com/review-amp-interview-the-vertical-farm-by-dick-despommier/comment-page-1/#comment-348447</link>
		<dc:creator>afilip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 04:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is a great concept! Despommier needs to think smaller first though to get this idea &quot;off the ground&quot;. 
There should be experiments to see if retrofitted empty warehouses or buildings around urban areas can serve a better purpose then building a whole new center. 
These buildings need to include solar panels &amp; green roofs with rain collection to offset energy &amp; water costs. If these buildings are spread out around the cities, they could collect local food waste to turn into compost, and use trunks that run on biodiesel grown at the farm! I bet you this wouldn&#039;t be a problem if some system was set up that if people (like restaurants) supply their food waste, they will get returns with the food being grown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is a great concept! Despommier needs to think smaller first though to get this idea &#8220;off the ground&#8221;.<br />
There should be experiments to see if retrofitted empty warehouses or buildings around urban areas can serve a better purpose then building a whole new center.<br />
These buildings need to include solar panels &amp; green roofs with rain collection to offset energy &amp; water costs. If these buildings are spread out around the cities, they could collect local food waste to turn into compost, and use trunks that run on biodiesel grown at the farm! I bet you this wouldn&#8217;t be a problem if some system was set up that if people (like restaurants) supply their food waste, they will get returns with the food being grown.</p>
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		<title>By: lazyreader</title>
		<link>http://inhabitat.com/review-amp-interview-the-vertical-farm-by-dick-despommier/comment-page-1/#comment-348395</link>
		<dc:creator>lazyreader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2011 17:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you have to account for your costs consider building a highrise building in a large city. 

A similar proposal by Ken Yeang proposes that instead of hermetically sealed mass produced agriculture that plant life should be cultivated within open air, mixed-use skyscrapers for climate control and consumption (i.e. a personal or communal planting space as per the needs of the individual). Which may work because as we all know Privatization works better. Even if you try to grow food in a highrise you still need lots of fertilizer. To supplement they would compost the material food waste that&#039;s inedible. Still you would require lots of compost beyond capacity to replenish it. The people that ate the food to begin with can compost but what if residents decide to keep it for themselves. Similarly, if the power needs of the vertical farm are met by fossil fuels, the environmental effect may be a net loss since you have to power every floor with lights, sensors, pumps and other devices. Even scientist and anti-global warming activist George Monbiot calculated that the cost of providing enough supplementary light to grow the grain for a single loaf would be almost 10 dollars.

Rooftop farming on the other hand is much more simple. You can grow stuff in simple containers with no real modifications to the roof other than making it strong enough to support all the weight. Anyone can grow stuff in a flower pot on their porch or balcony or backyard. It&#039;s simple and can be done even in climates that may not permit those types of fruit/vegetables using free sunlight and little money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have to account for your costs consider building a highrise building in a large city. </p>
<p>A similar proposal by Ken Yeang proposes that instead of hermetically sealed mass produced agriculture that plant life should be cultivated within open air, mixed-use skyscrapers for climate control and consumption (i.e. a personal or communal planting space as per the needs of the individual). Which may work because as we all know Privatization works better. Even if you try to grow food in a highrise you still need lots of fertilizer. To supplement they would compost the material food waste that&#8217;s inedible. Still you would require lots of compost beyond capacity to replenish it. The people that ate the food to begin with can compost but what if residents decide to keep it for themselves. Similarly, if the power needs of the vertical farm are met by fossil fuels, the environmental effect may be a net loss since you have to power every floor with lights, sensors, pumps and other devices. Even scientist and anti-global warming activist George Monbiot calculated that the cost of providing enough supplementary light to grow the grain for a single loaf would be almost 10 dollars.</p>
<p>Rooftop farming on the other hand is much more simple. You can grow stuff in simple containers with no real modifications to the roof other than making it strong enough to support all the weight. Anyone can grow stuff in a flower pot on their porch or balcony or backyard. It&#8217;s simple and can be done even in climates that may not permit those types of fruit/vegetables using free sunlight and little money.</p>
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		<title>By: lazyreader</title>
		<link>http://inhabitat.com/review-amp-interview-the-vertical-farm-by-dick-despommier/comment-page-1/#comment-339935</link>
		<dc:creator>lazyreader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 15:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can Despommier be a foremost expert on vertical farms? Unless of course he actually has working models or prototypes. How can he even be called an expert if he&#039;s never built one before? I wager he&#039;s never even bothered to determine whether it&#039;s financially feasible to build one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can Despommier be a foremost expert on vertical farms? Unless of course he actually has working models or prototypes. How can he even be called an expert if he&#8217;s never built one before? I wager he&#8217;s never even bothered to determine whether it&#8217;s financially feasible to build one.</p>
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		<title>By: lazyreader</title>
		<link>http://inhabitat.com/review-amp-interview-the-vertical-farm-by-dick-despommier/comment-page-1/#comment-335898</link>
		<dc:creator>lazyreader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2011 12:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The vertical farm, which has been largely discredited by real scientists and economists as impractical, expensive, energy intensive and useless. A detailed cost analysis of start-up costs, operation costs, and revenue has not been done (they never bothered to do one). The extra cost of lighting, heating, and powering the vertical farm may negate any of the cost benefits received by the decrease in transportation expenses. The economic and environmental benefits of vertical farming rest partly on the concept of minimizing food miles, the distance that food travels from farm to consumers. Transportation is only a minor contributor to the economic and environmental costs of supplying food to urban populations. Food Miles are, at best, a marketing fad. The initial building costs will be easily over $100 million for a highrise in major cities like New York, Mexico City, Los Angeles, Tokyo, Sao Paulo, Madrid, or London. For instance, in North America, corn farmers currently gross approximately $1000 per hectare. It is difficult to imagine a few hectares of vertical farm, with its enormous expenses, profiting from growing corn, or any other staple crop. It would be like using a Rolls Royce as a tractor. As the normal amount of light, which is over 90 percent utilized by field crops, is being split between 30 or so floors, ten to forty watts per square foot of supplemental light will be required to illuminate the interior of large towers. According to Bruce Bugbee, a crop physiologist at Utah State University, believes that the huge power demands of vertical farming would be too expensive and uncompetitive with traditional farms using only natural light which is essentially free. Regular greenhouse produce is known to create more greenhouse gases than field produce largely due to higher energy use/kg of produce. With vertical farms requiring much greater energy/kg of produce, mainly through increased lighting, than regular greenhouses, the amount of pollution created will be much higher than that from field produce.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The vertical farm, which has been largely discredited by real scientists and economists as impractical, expensive, energy intensive and useless. A detailed cost analysis of start-up costs, operation costs, and revenue has not been done (they never bothered to do one). The extra cost of lighting, heating, and powering the vertical farm may negate any of the cost benefits received by the decrease in transportation expenses. The economic and environmental benefits of vertical farming rest partly on the concept of minimizing food miles, the distance that food travels from farm to consumers. Transportation is only a minor contributor to the economic and environmental costs of supplying food to urban populations. Food Miles are, at best, a marketing fad. The initial building costs will be easily over $100 million for a highrise in major cities like New York, Mexico City, Los Angeles, Tokyo, Sao Paulo, Madrid, or London. For instance, in North America, corn farmers currently gross approximately $1000 per hectare. It is difficult to imagine a few hectares of vertical farm, with its enormous expenses, profiting from growing corn, or any other staple crop. It would be like using a Rolls Royce as a tractor. As the normal amount of light, which is over 90 percent utilized by field crops, is being split between 30 or so floors, ten to forty watts per square foot of supplemental light will be required to illuminate the interior of large towers. According to Bruce Bugbee, a crop physiologist at Utah State University, believes that the huge power demands of vertical farming would be too expensive and uncompetitive with traditional farms using only natural light which is essentially free. Regular greenhouse produce is known to create more greenhouse gases than field produce largely due to higher energy use/kg of produce. With vertical farms requiring much greater energy/kg of produce, mainly through increased lighting, than regular greenhouses, the amount of pollution created will be much higher than that from field produce.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruth Kirchmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruth Kirchmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 10:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally I think all those example images look more like buildings than actual vertical farms. A lot of waste of space and unnecessary structure!!!! If this is the future of farming - I&#039;m scared!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I think all those example images look more like buildings than actual vertical farms. A lot of waste of space and unnecessary structure!!!! If this is the future of farming &#8211; I&#8217;m scared!</p>
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		<title>By: Holcim Awards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holcim Awards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2010 19:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great ideas. The projects should be submitted to the Holcim Awards for Sustainable Construction. http://on.fb.me/holcim-awards</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great ideas. The projects should be submitted to the Holcim Awards for Sustainable Construction. <a href="http://on.fb.me/holcim-awards" rel="nofollow">http://on.fb.me/holcim-awards</a></p>
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