Comments on: GREEN PAVING SOLUTION: Salvaverde

By: beechwood188

beechwood188 — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:32:19 +0000

we would like to cover our front garden. how much? we would be requiring the area of one car.

Ruth Halsey

By: grass_paver_expert

grass_paver_expert — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:50:21 +0000

The information provided to visitors on this page is highly inaccurate.

The users of this blog require accurate information about the history and functionality of plastic-based pervious paving systems.
That is: (1) all the paver systems mentioned on this page (http://www.inhabitat.com/2006/06/24/salvaverde/#comment-72200) refer to HDPE grid systems.
(2) all HPDE grids are supremely inappropriate as vehicular traffic surfaces, because HDPE is prone to shatter when vehicle tires come in contact with any of these HDPE grid systems. This is a well documented fact, and is beyond dispute.
(3) All the HDPE grids mentioned on this page are the result of SALSEMEN wanting to make a higher R.O.S. (margin); hence they create a cheap, low-quality replica of the only non-HDPE grid (the original, from Germany), and represent the grids as being acceptable for vehicular traffic surfaces.
They are not appropriate, specifically because contact of vehicular traffic with the edges of the grids will cause shattering of the HDPE, when those vehicular loads traverse horizontally across the surface: accelerating, decelerating, or turning the steering axle while the vehicle is stationary. Such traffic dynamics require that the roadway surface be FLEXIBLE (see TS&W studies performed for the FHWA and DOT in the 1960\’s-1980\’s).

The above holds true for ANY vehicular traffic surface, whether conventional concrete or asphalt paving, pervious paver system, grass turf, non-engineered gravel, dirt, sand, or swamp.
The primary factor in designing a durable, long-lasting vehicular traffic surface is its ability to resist the damage resulting from HORIZONTAL movement of loads across the surface. \”Compressive Strength\” (i.e. resistance to pressure at the surface) in only applicable to: STATIONARY objects.

For too long, first Europeans and now American consumers and businesses have been misdirected and/or intentionally misled into believing that: any vehicular traffic surface which has a high \”compressive strength\” rating is sufficient for vehicular loads.
The above misconception has never been true, and never will. It derives from the laws of physics, not from annecdotal and/or superstitions relating to pavement engineering.

mit freundlichen grüßen/with kind regards,
LazyRRanch in Seattle

By: Dave

Dave — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 06:37:23 +0000

Where can I purchase Salvarverde in the USA? Is it sold on line?

By: jose

jose — Tue, 04 Sep 2007 13:34:51 +0000

what is the cost compared to concrete?

By: Walter Hermann

Walter Hermann — Sun, 03 Jun 2007 21:52:58 +0000

View the photo gallery for various installations – http://www.greeninnovations.ca or contact 888-725-7524

By: Sue Darby

Sue Darby — Sun, 03 Jun 2007 20:51:45 +0000

Where can I get more information about your Green Paving Solutions?

Where to see and purchase the product?
Installing requirements?
Prices?

Your help will be appreciated. Thank you.

By: ewan

ewan — Sat, 17 Feb 2007 07:22:26 +0000

yep the stuff is hard to shovel it just needs a special technique is all. keep the blade angle low. creeping thyme,Thymus serpyllum does do very well in these applications. once established both grass and thyme will over a few years build up to such an extent they defeat the traction ability of the rough edges of these products, but with severe butchering the rootstocks of any established herbs will resprout. irrigation pipe would not usually be installed below these products but may be enabled along the perimeter only

By: noel

noel — Fri, 12 Jan 2007 00:30:34 +0000

i want some. where can i find it?

By: jay shuler

jay shuler — Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:20:13 +0000

I live in San Jose, CA, where garages are used for storage and driveways are used for parking vehicles. Will this system work if cars are left parked on it for hours per day, or even multiple days on occasion? What would be the best vegetation to plant? Standard grass requires regular watering in CA in the summer. Do people use underground drip irrigation on these things, or does the drip hose get crushed by the weight of the vehicles? Etc! Any tips?

By: Silvia Edelstein

Silvia Edelstein — Thu, 02 Nov 2006 02:06:09 +0000

Has anyone tried creeping thyme? I’m imagining it would smell nice, but would it work with the mesh? You just couldn’t cook with it but then you wouldn’t have to mow it.

By: justin peterson (Enviroscape landscapes)

justin peterson (Enviroscape landscapes) — Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:40:47 +0000

G’day, I am trying to assertain a supplier of your product (Salvaverde) in Australia. This is posing to be a difficult task. I reside on the east coast of Australia, Newcastle which is 2 hours north of Sydney. If a supplier is not available, I am prepared to import this product for this single occasion. Would it be possible to obtain all specifications for this product? Also pricing and/or time delays to recieving this product would be greatly appreciated. Having only just discovered this product, I consider that it will have a vast array of applicable uses in the Australian environment.
Yours faithfully

Justin Peterson

By: Chip

Chip — Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:58:56 +0000

Wait this means I have to weed my driveway too.

By: Leopold Mak Ender

Leopold Mak Ender — Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:14:53 +0000

OK, you can use Salt, and if you doing it right you can use other mechanic things on the surfes.
Well, I´m talking about the Concrete plates we use in Sweden, 600x400x100 mm and the weight are 35 kilo per unit.

By: Allysen

Allysen — Wed, 28 Jun 2006 02:21:53 +0000

Uh… re my previous questions about plants and shovelling, I mean the northeast United States.

By: Allysen

Allysen — Wed, 28 Jun 2006 02:10:16 +0000

Does anyone have recommendations for a plant that would survive well in the northeast? If I put something like this in for a driveway, what might work besides grass? And what about removing snow… looks like this might be a bear to shovel. Anyone have experience with this?

By: Laura Aquino

Laura Aquino — Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:46:46 +0000

Something to think about is the type of lawn or ground cover to be used. It should be “native” in the sense that it can survive without any, or very little, maintenance because it would be planted in its “natural” environment considering the amount of sunlight, rain, temperature range, etc. It’s like planting a banana tree in Sweden or tulips in the Caribbean. They just won’t last. Without considering such an important factor, this product is nothing but a failure. There are numerous species of lawns and ground covers. It’s a matter of choosing the right one.

By: Rachel

Rachel — Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:50:53 +0000

Being from Australia I am used to thinking of thirsty lawns as anything but a green idea. I’m surprised in the US at how little awareness I see of the problems of water shortage including things like using the hose to “sweep” a path – things that died out in Australia years ago. However, I guess that in the wetter parts of the world a lawn can look after itself.

By: PENiCHE

PENiCHE — Tue, 27 Jun 2006 12:43:07 +0000

Does anyone know how this would hold up in the NORTHeast– winters with snow and such ?

By: Elizabeth

Elizabeth — Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:33:11 +0000

ooooh! This is so cool!

By: Alex

Alex — Mon, 26 Jun 2006 06:31:06 +0000

They made a small mention of this sort of thing at the World Urban Forum last week in Vancouver as a way of decreasing city tempurature, as well as a means of returning rainfall into the water table rather than drain-off.